Confusion with Reverse Kegels

[walidfk Member Find all posts View Profile Close walidfk]

Great thread imac. I never heard of RK until I read this thread. I have been facing PE all my life and nothing seems to work. When I read this thread I realized that RK are the major factor in fighting PE.

As I understood from this thread that if my target is to cure PE I have to concetrate only on RK for a period of time and then incorporate kegels once my RK is strong.

I started doing RK a couple of days ago, but when I am trying to experience the balloon feeling at the bottom of my penis, I feel that I am tensing the mucscle instead of relaxing it. Is this feeling ok?

Another question, if I am trying to cure my PE should I incorporate back RK or should I only do front RK? Is ten minutes daily training enough?

[Glamissand1 Senior Member Member of the Month March 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close Glamissand1]

You want to fight the feeling to kegel, this is done by RK. Not sure where it is but there is a full routine to balance your pelvic floor.

[imac Retired Moderator Member of the Month Nov 12PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close imac]

Great thread imac. I never heard of RK until I read this thread. I have been facing PE all my life and nothing seems to work. When I read this thread I realized that RK are the major factor in fighting PE.

As I understood from this thread that if my target is to cure PE I have to concetrate only on RK for a period of time and then incorporate kegels once my RK is strong.

I started doing RK a couple of days ago, but when I am trying to experience the balloon feeling at the bottom of my penis, I feel that I am tensing the mucscle instead of relaxing it. Is this feeling ok?

Another question, if I am trying to cure my PE should I incorporate back RK or should I only do front RK? Is ten minutes daily training enough?

If you're having trouble telling whether you're tensing or stretching/relaxing the muscles then do a slight kegel (contraction) not a hard one and then turn that into an RK and keep alternating between the two until you can tell the difference between them.

Do both front and back RK's or if you can distinguish between the two yet then work them as a whole and yes ten minutes a day training is enough. It's all about learning control over the muscles and that ten minutes a day soon adds up to a lot of time practising control.

[Bibol Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Bibol]

Kegel exercises have resulted in the "delayed ejaculation" - "extend the duration of sexual intercourse" or "make it possible to be able to block the orgasm?"

[imac Retired Moderator Member of the Month Nov 12PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close imac]

Kegel exercises have resulted in the "delayed ejaculation" - "extend the duration of sexual intercourse" or "make it possible to be able to block the orgasm?"

Read this for a better understanding a kegels.

Kegels: Only One Piece of the Equation to Strengthen the Pelvic Floor

[Varymar Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Varymar]

Hello, I've been scratching my head a little about reverse kegels, the ones where youre "pushing out" as if you were pooping/urinating, and I've yet to find any scientific benefit about it, so I'd like to comment on that, I hope i do not speak out of ignorance, though I think i should let people know what their body is actually doing when they do these "reverse" exercises.

For me personally, it has little to do with PC muscle as im fully aware how to control it. I can clench pc muscle while doing reverse kegel, so how is it a reverse kegel? Perhaps some people have reflex to relax them when they do it. Anyway, when you do 'reverse kegel', what you do is that you contract expiratory chest muscles, diaphragm, abdominal wall muscles that together with pelvic diaphragm exert pressure on the digestive tract and bladder and other nearby tissues- you can test that by exhaling completely and try do a reverse kegel and it won't really work, and now try and inhale with full chest and try again and suddenly its easy.

So aside for perhaps training yourself to not have a pc muscle reflex in specific occasions, which I believe can be done otherwise, all you will probably achieve is perhaps stronger abs and become more effective at pooping and winning peeing competitions, and risk getting hemorrhoids.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

The proof of the pud is in the eating , that is rk are of well proven benifit.

[Varymar Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Varymar]

The proof of the pud is in the eating , that is rk are of well proven benifit.

a lot of people say the same about praying and homeopathy.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Hello, I've been scratching my head a little about reverse kegels, the ones where youre "pushing out" as if you were pooping/urinating, and I've yet to find any scientific benefit about it, so I'd like to comment on that, I hope i do not speak out of ignorance, though I think i should let people know what their body is actually doing when they do these "reverse" exercises.

For me personally, it has little to do with PC muscle as im fully aware how to control it. I can clench pc muscle while doing reverse kegel, so how is it a reverse kegel? Perhaps some people have reflex to relax them when they do it. Anyway, when you do 'reverse kegel', what you do is that you contract expiratory chest muscles, diaphragm, abdominal wall muscles that together with pelvic diaphragm exert pressure on the digestive tract and bladder and other nearby tissues- you can test that by exhaling completely and try do a reverse kegel and it won't really work, and now try and inhale with full chest and try again and suddenly its easy.

So aside for perhaps training yourself to not have a pc muscle reflex in specific occasions, which I believe can be done otherwise, all you will probably achieve is perhaps stronger abs and become more effective at pooping and winning peeing competitions, and risk getting hemorrhoids.

Revese kegels when done in a "pushing out" variation rather than "relaxing" variation serve as a forcible stretch of those muscles in order to make them unclench, since many people even without noticing tend to clench the pelvic floor muscles.

I am against of pushing out too forcibly, rather the push out should be just enough to override that clench or tension. As a person progresses with pelvic floor balance and strength, reverse kegels should be done as a relaxation movement, equal to simply letting the muscles "drop down" rather than being pushed out. The "drop down" movement is more typical to the feeing you have while urinating (but not forcing the urine out), in a way that is simply relaxes the pelvic floor.

Since people find it hard to do this while engaged in sex or edging, the "push out" variation became more popular.

Also a clarification, when doing a reverse kegels your anal muscles (musles around you anus) should not move at all, rather the area behind your testacles and between testacles and anus should be "inflated" and the general area around your penis.

On the other hand, reverse root locks (reverse back kegels) is when you push out or relax the anal muscles and not much else. As a root lock is when you clench your anus only.

A properly executed reverse kegel or reverse kegel hold should not interfere with your abs or your breathing, in the beginning when a person is inexperienced in isolation that will happen and it should not be something to fret over since in time the isolation will come easily.

Same is with a kegel, doing a kegel hold should not interrfere with your breathing in any way if done properly, in the beginning however both anus and lower abs will contract.

If you are unable to properly execute a reverse kegel, try to do a kegel (by moving the are a behind your testacles and your anus, when errect it should your penis rise) and insead of just letting go of the clench push it out. That opposite movement you just did is a reverse kegel. Holding a kegel and a reverse kegel at the same time is as you are trying to stretch and clench the same muscle group at the same time.


You will also notice that I am not talking in the PC,BC,IC terms but just muscle movements (kegels, reverse kegels, root lock and reverse root locks), when you gain sufficient observation and isolations skills for those movements you will notice that a muscle groups rather than just one muscle participates in the executions, and that isolation refferes to the isolation of the area rather than the single muscle itself.

You can visit the link in my signature for more detail.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Power to you MM that can give the long explanation after so many times .
V you are not "fully aware " of how to control your pelvic floor or you would understand basic rk . They have been explained countless times read and learn,both Imac and MM are excellent teachers .

[dirkus3616 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dirkus3616]

1) Hey guys, I've been through this thread (and others), and I CANNOT seem to reverse kegel without using my abs. I've heard several people say that the way to find the right RK technique is to kegel, and then relax the kegel. Well, nothing seems to be happening except the fact that I did a kegel. The only way I seem to be able to get that "push" feeling is to flex my abs.

2) Can anyone recommend a good RK routine, one that allows you to measure progress?

3) Thanks to all who provide advice on these threads. You have no idea how much it helps just to have some hope.

[saggitarius91 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close saggitarius91]

thank you for the very informative post.
after reading this, i've been trying it out and i think i got the front kegel down but the back, uh the only way i can do this is if i tense up my abs while doing back kegels. is this right? a little confused about this.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

It is hard to get isolation at first it improves with practise.

[dirkus3616 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dirkus3616]

Thanks Pegasus... how do I measure progress, aside from being able to isolate better?

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Improvements in stamina ( number and length of hold ) and skill .

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