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Did a lighter, more comfy grip during jelqing tonight. I had some good engorgement during the jelqing and post-jelq flaccid was about 6.75" bpfsl x 4.5" fg. I used less vaseline for lubricant tonight, not sure how much of a difference that ended up making. I've decided to ditch my warm down, from now on I'm going to do edging/ballooning as a "cooling down" (to room temperature) - that way I may cement gains at that 110% edging erection which may help spur some gains for me. I used to do edging for 20+ minutes all the time when I was a newbie and I think that added a large part to my great newbie gains. I'm still hoping to get my jelqing technique to a point where I get a post-flaccid that's nearly as large as my erect size.

I also thought tonight that, if I don't make any length gains, I may do an every day stretching routine and keep girth at every-other-day-ish. I think I mentioned earlier in my log where I was going to do a routine like that, but never ended up doing it... this was after injury on the everyday jelq/stretch routine, but after I had hit 8.25" bpel with that routine. I think stretching is a lot harder to overtrain on - hence the hanger's every day approach and (generally) good gains.

Modded routine:
10 min Heat
10 min Stretching
5 min Heat
20 min Jelqing
10+ min Edging/Ballooning

[Radiohead Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Radiohead]

20 min jelqing is interesting.

Do you recommend doing less Uli and doing more jelqs?

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I've never gained through Ulis, to be honest (at least I don't THINK so - I'm pretty certain the 1/8" of girth I've made is from jelqing). I remember adding them in after my sixth week and consistently doing them for about four months, got up to about 5+ minutes of pure Ulis. Never made a smidgen of gain from 'em, though they did seem to pump me up when I was doing the exercise.

I don't know about doing high erection girth work... it seems more temporary and hard to cement (this seems to be the case with clamping a lot too), but some guys have seen good results from it. I prefer jelqing over Ulis because jelqing has a rolling movement with the blood, I just feel like it gives better results. You could try really slow jelqs - I've done those in the past and they can get pretty intense (I'm talking like 30+ seconds per rep), you can sort of think of it like a moving Uli. I prefer doing lower-mid erection girth work (erect, but bendable) for gains primarily rather than high erection work. If you're interested in primarily girth perhaps you should take a look at Orange Bends over at Thunders. If you can read threads over there I'll shoot you a link or I can just send you all of the notes I collected from that thread. Dry jelqs are supposed to be good for girth too, but I much prefer wet jelqs. I can never get that smooth jelqing motion with dry jelqs.

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I'm gonna go over at Thunder's and look at the Orange Bend. All I care about is girth.

Hmm can't find anything on Orange bends.

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I'm gonna go over at Thunder's and look at the Orange Bend. All I care about is girth.

Hmm can't find anything on Orange bends.

It's a tough one to find. My Girlfriend said those lovely words... - Thunder's Place Free Penis Enlargement Forums

Oh, I also recommend reading the entire thread - there's a lot of helpful info.

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Woke up with morning wood for the first time in a long time. I'm taking that as a positive PI. Rest day today, but I'll be exercising... I forgot to mention it before, but I noticed improved EQ after working out on Monday. I know that staying consistent with exercise and diet are going to help my gains.

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If I haven't regained my 8" BPEL measurement by this weekend I'm going to switch back to an every day routine. I was looking over my progress log again and noticed that I hit 8" BPEL after less than two weeks on the every day routine in the past. I may not add 10 minutes every 2 weeks though... may do a smaller progression, like 2 minutes every week or something. Say 2 minutes jelqing, 2 minutes stretching... 7 sessions a week is a lot to be adding 10 minutes every other week... I'm looking for a lot of volume over time, but not so much that I injure myself.

I know I gained 1/4" (8.25 bpel) on the every day routine. I really feel this is the case because I cemented 7.75 BPEL - I've always gone down to 7.5 BPEL during a deconditioning break (1/2" loss, always), but I never once wavered in the 7.75" BPEL measurement over the decon. An every day routine may just be more beneficial for me, BUT I have to keep in mind to do it in such a way that I can still heal up every 24 hours. I don't want to overwork, of course. I injured myself with the every day routine doing high erection jelqing and tight squeezes, so I know to be much more careful this time around. Low intensity, high volume exercise. I'm also mindful that I just injured myself recently (but healed up from it) with tight squeezes and higher erection jelqs too, so I don't think it's so much the doing-it-every-day aspect as it was I-didn't-rest-when-I-injured-myself aspect.

I'm going to stick with the edging-as-cooldown exercise as well as continuing to stretch before I jelq though.

Oh, I got my moist heating pad in the mail today! It's really cool - it actually gets wet, I don't know how the heck it does that but it's awesome. I'm looking forward to a deep, penetrating warm up for my session tomorrow. I may up my warm up to 20 minutes, but this depends on the efficiency of my new heating pad.

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I didn't feel like I had a very good routine today. I've tested out my new heating pad and I really enjoy it - it's an electric moist heating pad and my penis gets very soft and pliable from the heat in it. It doesn't take very long to heat up my penis either.

I did jelqing with a very soft grip and a lower erection level today, didn't get a very good pump from it at all. My flaccid just went entirely back to normal afterwards, not even a slight pump to it. I was also lying on my back, so that MAY have had something to do with it but I don't believe so. I'm going to up the intensity very slightly on my grip for Saturday's session. I may work with higher levels of erection and a lighter grip to see how I respond to that.

Arousal levels weren't very high today, so although I did about 15 min of edging it wasn't all that fun. My routine isn't really giving me a boost in EQ... like I said in my log previously, I don't really see that unless I do a daily routine. Not really sure why.

I'm going to be switching to an every day routine this Monday. I'll finish off the week with my every other day routine right now. I'm going to be scaling back my routine from 20 minutes to 10 min per day... since, if you think about it, I'm doing about 80 per week right now, so if I did 20 minutes per day that'd be 140 minutes per week, whereas if I do 10 minutes per day it'll be 70 minutes. I don't want to go up too high at first... gonna work up from a lower level. So here's my plan:

P.E. routine ... +2 min stretch/jelq each week
... work each stretch up to 6 min, then add in new stretch, work up to 6 min, repeat
... keep adding 2 min jelqing each week. good grip, work on jelq technique.
... after I reach length goal, cement.
... then down stretching time and replace /w o-bends... 1-2 min per week.

I'll be starting with:
15 min Warm Up (warming up pad 3-5 min, 10 min actual heat)
10 min Stretching (2 min per 5-way stretches)
10 min Heat (warming up pad 3-5 min, 5 min actual heat)
10 min Jelqing
10-20 min Engorging (basically getting a 110%+ erection to cement gains, nothing strenuous, used as a cooldown).

I can't do a traditional cooldown so I'm going to see where this engorging takes me.

I'm going to do this for 2 weeks and hope for improvements in EQ, but after 2 weeks I think I'll start taking Ginkgo Biloba and L-Arginine. The reason for doing the 2 weeks is to see if the every day routine will improve my EQ without artificial enhancement. We'll see how it goes.

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Measured 7.75 x 5.25 this morning. I'm going to switch to an every-day plan today instead of Monday. Same plan as above.

Little change of plans... taking this weekend off, starting the new routine on Monday. Startin' fresh that way. I'm running into some personal complications so I don't think I'll be in a mood to do PE this weekend. I'll be ready to go on Monday however.

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Starting up my new routine tomorrow:
10 min Warm Up
10 min Stretching
10 min Heat
10 min Jelqing
Engorging/bird2's Amazing Isometrics

First two weeks I'll add 5 min per week to jelqing and stretching, to get up to 20 min for both of those quickly. After the first two weeks I'll add 2 min to stretch and jelq per week as I outlined earlier.

I'm modifying my warm up. I'm going to do 5 min of true heat, enough to get a deep penetrating heat throughout the entire penis. It takes about 3-5 minutes to max out the heat on my heating pad, so 10 min or so is about right. After reading the PE survey results, I've decided to refrain from ejaculation as well as not worry about my warm up so much, since the survey found that warm ups didn't have an impact on gains. I'm going for enough heat that's warming up my penis enough for injury prevention and such though.

I'm going to use less lube when I jelq. I think I get a better pump with less lubricant. In the future, if I tire of manual jelqing or just want some variety in my routine, I may switch over to the jelq device for jelqing. I may switch to this if I reach my length goals since it's supposed to be good for girth.

Kegel routine: 10 x 10 sec. Forgoing kegeling periodically throughout the day for now. May add 10 sec reps throughout the day if EQ doesn't improve as well as it should. Gonna be working up to 60 - 120 second holds for kegels... eventually working towards becoming multi-orgasmic, so I need a strong muscle to hold back ejaculation.

I can't decide whether I should make this a morning routine or a night routine... I may give a morning routine a shot, and then that way it'll be done for the day. I might have to switch it over to night for convenience sake when my routine gets into the higher digits when it comes to time.

So yeah, for now... I'll do this in the morning.

I'm probably not going to post as often about my routine since I'm keeping a log on my computer. I'll just post noteable things so I can look back and see what changes the every day routine makes for me.

Right now I'm not going to worry about flaccid pump or anything of the sort. For this past week my flaccid's been junky because of the cold, so I've been thinking that flaccid pump as an indicator of gains probably doesn't work for me.

I'll be posting total TUL (time under load) weekly, this is part of the reason I'm keeping a log on my computer. So for example, this week's TUL will be 70 minutes of jelqing and 70 minutes of stretching... after week 2, it'll be 70 + 84 min TUL... and so on.

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Did the session today. I'm switching to a nighttime session because I woke up this morning and exclaimed, "Holy fuck it's cold!". I did my routine anyway, but totally shriveled up afterward (cold). So no, morning sessions are not optimal for me. I didn't do any engorging after the session today - I don't know if this is an arousal issue, but I know I'm not overworking with only 10 min of stretching and 10 min of jelqing, so I think it's either stress or arousal.

I'm going to start taking a multi-vitamin. I might be low in zinc levels or something of the sort, since my general arousal levels are kinda junky.

I lost 11.2 lbs this week and 3" off of my stomach though. Fairly rapid loss, but I've got a pretty big chunk to lose so I'm excited about it. I'm 6'3" so I don't know how small I can get my waist to be, but I'm aiming for the 32-36" range. I've got some snazzy 32/34" pants I'd love to fit in again, lol. I'm also not after a very muscular look (think Brad Pitt in Fight Club rather than bodybuilder), so I think a slimmer waist will be more viable with that goal in mind. I'm having a big cheat meal tonight.

I'm going to do my routine without using heat in the middle of the routine. I don't know what kind of effect this will have, if any. I'm going for 6 minutes of actual heat.

During my warm up I will do sets of 10 second kegels. During my jelqing I'm going to do a hard kegel before each stroke, see if that gives me a good pump. I remember doing this variation on the jelq (I call it a 'power jelq' - I can't remember where I got that term) as a newbie (2+ months) and having good results from it.

Routine:
(6 min Heat)
10 min Stretching
10 min Jelqing
10 min Engorging / Amazing Isometrics

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I lost 11.2 lbs this week and 3" off of my stomach though.

That's unhealthy weight loss. Were you ill? You should never drop/add more than 2-3 pounds a week. Anything more is bordering on malnutrition and your body will counteract by eating adipose storages. That's when you get really really really sick. Please be careful dude.

In other news, I love your light routine. But try warming up for a little longer (10 minutes minimum). I guarantee your overall sessions will be better!

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I'm basing my warm up on the PE Survey's data that suggests that warm up didn't have any effect on overall gains.

Don't worry about the quick weight loss, that's always been the case for me. I put on weight quickly and lose it quickly. I use some unorthodox methods of diet (currently, anyway, I used to do the 6-meals-a-day thing), but I know my body's limits and won't let myself go beyond what I'm capable of in terms of nutrition and things of the sort. I'm pretty heavy right now too so the quick weight loss is definitely attributed to that, I'm certain it will level out soon.

p.s. Don't I want to lose adipose tissue? That's just the fat around your stomach, isn't it?

edit: I did some math here... My weight and waist inches:
Feb 7 '09: 272 lbs / 48" relaxed waist
Feb 16 '09: 265 / 45" relaxed waist
Calculated BF% is at 28.9% on Feb 7, now 25.1% Feb 16... so that's 79 lbs fat on Feb 7 (rounded up), 66.25 lbs of total fat on Feb 16. That's a 12.75 lb fat loss - however, I've only lost 7 lbs from Feb 7. So... I've actually gained lean muscle weight, I think. Unless my math's way off, lol.

I think I need to get some fat calipers to measure my progress better. I do feel more muscular and much slimmer however, so I think the numbers are right.

Feb 6 '09 I was 276.2 lbs - this is where I got the 11.2 lb loss from. This must have been a lot of water weight lost, so I'm going from the Feb 7 mark instead. So really I've lost 7 lbs and 3" off of my waist. The pounds are unimportant to me - the fact I lost 3" is very exciting.

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p.s. Don't I want to lose adipose tissue? That's just the fat around your stomach, isn't it?

Adipose is all over your body and it is where your energy stores are. Generally this is the type of fat that you don't want to lose (you need it). It also insulates and cushions your body. If you loose weight too rapidly, your body will be forced to consume this tissue for energy and you'll get extremely sick. I've seen it happen and it's ugly shit. Just be careful bud - only looking out for ya


Also - Can you link me to this survey? Warm-up not having any effect on gains? That's ludicrous. Improper warmup leads to guaranteed injury and that WILL have a massive effect on gains.

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Ah, thanks for the concern. Yeah, I'm feeling very energetic & etc. on this diet so far. If my energy levels were lower I'd definitely be concerned with the rapid weight loss though.

Penis Enlargement Gym - Summary of the Penis Enlargement Survey Results
Specifically:
Penis Enlargement Gym - Warm-up Analysis

I agree that warm up is important for injury prevention, but I don't know how much of a warm up is really necessary. My heating pad is very hot and I get very pliable and loose with my warm up, using moist heat, so I think it's effective enough for me.