Stan's stretching journal

[Stan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stan]

Did you see my post just above yours? I was talking about this. When legs are bent it does feel like stretching the whole thing more thsn just the ligaments.

Ha it's this exactly
I saw your post but read a bit too fast and didn't get what you meant, probably because I saw no mention of where the weights/hand are: for it to work they need to rest on the front, or near the front, of the thighs. If you just keep them "free" between your legs (what I thought you meant) there will be no difference.

You are talking about glans being tired etc. Maybe you would benefit from weights that will lock on to the shaft and accomplish the same thing. That's what I'm about to start tomorrow.

Whoa I'm definitely not ready to attach any hardware to my unit. I'm positive I have a better grip and can exert much more force with manual anyway. Hope it works for you though

[NewChamp Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close NewChamp]

Ha it's this exactly
I saw your post but read a bit too fast and didn't get what you meant, probably because I saw no mention of where the weights/hand are: for it to work they need to rest on the front, or near the front, of the thighs. If you just keep them "free" between your legs (what I thought you meant) there will be no difference.



Whoa I'm definitely not ready to attach any hardware to my unit. I'm positive I have a better grip and can exert much more force with manual anyway. Hope it works for you though

Regarding hand position (while I'll start with weights tomorrow) I had mentioned that I was pulling down (towards feet). Thats the same pull the weights will have. It is probably that both are beneficial. Sometimes you will want to stretch the shaft. Other times you will want to focus on the ligaments.

Regarding weight, thanks. I know it sounds sacry and I resisted at first but I enjoyed hearing about success stories and people using a specifically tailored device. I like tat it is only 20 min day because I can't spend all day stretching.

Regarding the debate you were having with that guy above about being too long, that is the classic internal battle for guys who are not as big in setting goals. If it were just looks then it would be the bigger the better. But then guys decide to consider function and woman's desires. It would be ideal to be huge but to fit. LOL 7.5 NBPEL might be the sweetspot. At some point a guy might say F-it. I want to be as big as possible.

[bigmanoncampus Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bigmanoncampus]

hey Stan, just read through your entire log again - phew. I've been trying your basic stretching routine for a few days. i think i'll be incorporating the lockstretch + shockstretch as my routine toilet tugs. just recorded my first BPFSL gains ever at 8 3/8 so I'm pretty psyched! (probably not attributable to this routine yet)

could you comment on how your unit feels when stretching? mine has always felt like a steel cord when doing manual stretching so I've never imagined I could get gains from it. does yours feel more pliable? (like when stretching muscles?)

[Stan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stan]

Kegels feel less and less weird, but still not normal. Still no 100% erection level either, no matter what I do.

Just recorded my first BPFSL gains ever at 8 3/8 so I'm pretty psyched!

Seeing gains is always awesome, congrats

could you comment on how your unit feels when stretching? mine has always felt like a steel cord when doing manual stretching so I've never imagined I could get gains from it. does yours feel more pliable? (like when stretching muscles?)

Basically it went from feeling kinda pliable to more and more steel-cord-like. IME as long as you feel at least a little stress while stretching, gains happen.

[Whatudoin Member Find all posts View Profile Close Whatudoin]

Hey Stan, just wanted to let you know that you've been my motivation and inspiration to try a stretching routine similar to yours. I haven't been able to make length gains before and already after 2 weeks I've gained 1/8 inch. Just wanted to say thanks from one PE'er to another and goodluck on your progress.

[NewChamp Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close NewChamp]

Hey Stan. I was thinking of you today. I tried my weights for the first time. They put a lot of force on the ligaments. I remember you said you put more force than any weight could do and I have to say "no way" ...at least not without the risk of ripping your dick off. LOL

I even had to back off on the weight...but it's cool ...I will just take it more slowly.

I had to do the weight standing.
Sitting pulls on the ligaments behind the fat pad and pulls the fat pad away from the body. I hate that. I could put my hand there to force it to focus on the ligaments at the base of the penis but I don't want to hold my hand there.

So far so good. I think this is going to work over time!

Hey, what are you saying about not reaching maximum erection? I wonder if you may be forced to pump a little to make sure new blood vessels etc get there but there is some risk it could add girth.

I hope you are OK and haven't damaged anything. Maybe your mind is just tired too. If you took some time off and also gave your penis a break, maybe all would be well again.

[Stan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stan]

What are you saying about not reaching maximum erection? ... I hope you are OK and haven't damaged anything.

It's just something that happened right before every measured EL gain, a phase of bad EQ, with more or less trouble sustaining an erection and total inability to reach what feels like 100%. I'm not worried because good EQ always comes back.

The mistake I made when it happened last year and lasted for an unusually long time, was to eventually stop stretching. EQ came back but at the same size as before. Not doing that mistake again now, no matter how long it takes.

In fact I think the reason the recovery took so long was I had taken the bad habit of stimulating it at the expected max angle, not at the natural angle, and that kept it from getting adequately engorged. Once I noticed that, EQ quickly came back. Not doing that mistake again either.

Already after 2 weeks I've gained 1/8 inch.

Congrats, is that BPFSL or BPEL?

[NewChamp Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close NewChamp]

Good stuff Stan.

I was having trouble getting max length yesterday but I think I'm just tired of jerking off and forcing it. Maybe I'm going to get some growth. LOL

Now you have to explain the difference between max angle and natural angle for you just in case it applies to me. Do you mean pushing it away from your body to be straight for max angle where natural angle is towards your body?

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Congrats, is that BPFSL or BPEL?

That was in NBPEL.. Since then I've added in edging to my routine and haven't measured but I believe I've already atleast doubled this

[Stan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stan]

I think I'm just tired of jerking off and forcing it.

That's when I take a day off erect work

Now you have to explain the difference between max angle and natural angle for you just in case it applies to me. Do you mean pushing it away from your body to be straight for max angle where natural angle is towards your body?

When I'm sitting down and I'm at max, it points basically straight up. The bad habit was I always kept it in that position even when I wasn't at max.

That was in NBPEL.. Since then I've added in edging to my routine and haven't measured but I believe I've already atleast doubled this

Sounds good!

[NewChamp Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close NewChamp]

That's when I take a day off erect work

Yeah. I'm happy that this hanging weights doesn't require any erect work It was mostly from pumping and stuff. Since you only do stretching, do you need any erect work at all? What do you do erect?

I still think if you are not gaining NBPEL then all you are doing is pulling the fat pad away from the pelvis. Maybe you will encourage other tissue to grow beneath that. I think if you want the NBPEL to increase you need to hold that fat pad down while stretching so the stretch only occurs at the base of the penis. When you pull down, that's a different sensation than straight out right? ...unless with straight out you hold the fat pad down.

[Stan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stan]

Since you only do stretching, do you need any erect work at all? What do you do erect?

I just make sure I spend a decent amount of time at max erection

I still think if you are not gaining NBPEL then all you are doing is pulling the fat pad away from the pelvis. Maybe you will encourage other tissue to grow beneath that. I think if you want the NBPEL to increase you need to hold that fat pad down while stretching so the stretch only occurs at the base of the penis. When you pull down, that's a different sensation than straight out right? ...unless with straight out you hold the fat pad down.

Do we agree it's not an issue with the fatpad itself, but with the lig pulling on the fatpad?

Let me know if there's something I don't get:

So, the point where the lig attaches to the shaft never changes. As the lig and the (inner) penis get longer, that point ends up further out, and the lig brings the fatpad along.

Now, what I think you mean is that if you managed to give a more intense stretch to the part of the lig that goes from the bone to that point on the shaft, it would mitigate the issue of the fatpad creeping up. Right?

Wrong IMO. The longer lig would still be pulled tight by the blood pressure, and in turn would still pull on the fatpad. All you'd end up with is a lower erection angle.

Or maybe I'm missing something?

At my last measurement yesterday I was very close to 10"19/32.

That must have been a fluke measurement, couldn't reproduce it since.

[NewChamp Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close NewChamp]

Do we agree it's not an issue with the fatpad itself, but with the lig pulling on the fatpad?

Let me know if there's something I don't get:

So, the point where the lig attaches to the shaft never changes. As the lig and the (inner) penis get longer, that point ends up further out, and the lig brings the fatpad along.

Now, what I think you mean is that if you managed to give a more intense stretch to the part of the lig that goes from the bone to that point on the shaft, it would mitigate the issue of the fatpad creeping up. Right?

Wrong IMO. The longer lig would still have to support the shaft: it would still be pulled tight by the weight and blood pressure, and in turn would still pull on the fatpad. All you'd end up with is a lower erection angle.

Or maybe I'm missing something?

Stan, when you look at the ligaments, whether it;s the superficial fundiform or the suspensory, they are still attached or form from other fascia. This is behind the fat pad. So at least if you are holding that fascia down, you are forcing the stress of the stretch or weights on the ligaments rather than pulling the facia away from the muscle/bone.

Root of penis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Look at this picture of the fundiform ligament and you can see easily how pulling the abdominal fascia away from the muscle does not help your case.

Fundiform ligament - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Weakening the fascia is no good. If the fat pad bulges out every time you pull because you no longer have the fascia tethered to the muscle, how does that help you? I ideally you still want it teathered but you want the suspensory and fundiform ligaments themselves to stretch and grow.

[Stan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stan]

OK I get it now, but I still don't see how just pushing down on that soft elastic tissue could change anything. It's not like it's pulled anywhere close to tight when I stretch.

[NewChamp Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close NewChamp]

OK I get it now, but I still don't see how just pushing down on that soft elastic tissue could change anything. It's not like it's pulled anywhere close to tight when I stretch.

I'm just thinking if you want the force to be random or equally then not pusing down and pulling straight out might do that For all you know, the ligament could stay the same length and you could pull more and more of the fascia off the abdominal wall whereas when you hold it down, there is no choice but to stretch the ligaments. IMO, without doing that you just don't know. It may even be that the fascia doesn't pull from the muscle but instead pulls the muscle forward with it that could eventually weaken those muscles and tissues. I would also hope it doesn't predispose to some hernia.