Minuteman's Dry Orgasm Guide

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I thought posting this here is better, as it is more likely to get a response.

But first a quick observation and recommendation.

1. I highly suggest you guys check out MMs kegel master list and see the different body positions I.e. standing, walking, sitting. And notice the different difficulty you may have performing your exercises.

2. Once you find your difficult positions master the isolation in those easier positions and than once you feel comfortable. Begin training in those more complicated positions (for example for me reverse rootlock is easier for me standing and rootlock kegel is more difficult. But the opposite happens when im laying down)

The goal here is to master isolation.

My problem/question is reverse rootlock. Im at level 2.1 . But I noticed that I still tense my stomach when performing the exercise. And perform a slight reverse kegel..... Has anyone really isolated the two. And for bunker holds have you guys "cheated" your way by doing reverse kegels and then adding the reverse rootlock. Or are you guys able to do in the opposite direction without a struggle.

[ShivaLinga Member Find all posts View Profile Close ShivaLinga]

Very interesting, it makes sense to have the exhaustion after ejaculation with low testosterone but I haven't made that connection yet, it didn't occur to me.

One thing I know is that increased ejaculation can actually raise testosterone levels when done in moderation, so what you might try to experiment as well maybe to to take for example 2 weeks off every training and try and edge and ejaculate every second day to see how your body will react, this of course only if any other treatment is not working.

Though I somehow doubt you have low testosterone (but you might have some hormonal dis-balance, or maybe some deficiencies like zinc or magnesium) since you might not be able to build mass and muscles that easy then (but I am maybe wrong). Something is definitely odd with that phenomenon and it is quite present. You might want to google "drained after ejaculation" or something to get some idea what happens and why it might happen.

My opinion is that you need to find a solution for that not because you need to ejaculate more frequently as much as so that you don't feel drained when you decide to ejaculate.

Yesterday I tried to have my first DO. I was holding the reverse kegel by pushing very hard with air in my stomach all the time and I was over ponr trying to keep the pelvic floor relaxed, breathe slowly and maybe achieve a DO without any contractions ... but then I started to ejaculate, didn't feel the contractions coming...tried to kegel to stop it but it was too late and too weak of a hold and lost it...
So it was a fail. Not even partial. A fully failed DO attempt.

So I tried again today...very hard reverse kegel, slow breathing, slow stimulation right at ponr with a 10 second almost-semi-orgasm, passed ponr, didn't feel the contractions but I knew they were coming so I just went into a kegel...which was again overrided one second later by the contractions that came ...my hold SUX!

One possible cause for the fails is that my pelvic muscles were very tired after the 2.1 and 2.2 exercises which I did before trying for DO. And also my holds are very weak at this point.
Next time I will try to hold my kegels Standing, that is the way I try towel raises anyway...I feel that the seated and laying on my back position doesn't help me do the hold in the right way with the right strength.

The good news - no more fatigue after ejaculations. Maybe I am cured or maybe I stopped before the last contraction that gives the fatigue, I dunno...

The bad news - libido is dead, it takes a huge ammount of stimulation to get erect and the eq went down from 9 to 5-6.
And I feel like a fail

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Can I ask why you have chosen the rk method rather than the more common kegel ?

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Yesterday I tried to have my first DO. I was holding the reverse kegel by pushing very hard with air in my stomach all the time and I was over ponr trying to keep the pelvic floor relaxed, breathe slowly and maybe achieve a DO without any contractions ... but then I started to ejaculate, didn't feel the contractions coming...tried to kegel to stop it but it was too late and too weak of a hold and lost it...
So it was a fail. Not even partial. A fully failed DO attempt.

So I tried again today...very hard reverse kegel, slow breathing, slow stimulation right at ponr with a 10 second almost-semi-orgasm, passed ponr, didn't feel the contractions but I knew they were coming so I just went into a kegel...which was again overrided one second later by the contractions that came ...my hold SUX!

One possible cause for the fails is that my pelvic muscles were very tired after the 2.1 and 2.2 exercises which I did before trying for DO. And also my holds are very weak at this point.
Next time I will try to hold my kegels Standing, that is the way I try towel raises anyway...I feel that the seated and laying on my back position doesn't help me do the hold in the right way with the right strength.

The good news - no more fatigue after ejaculations. Maybe I am cured or maybe I stopped before the last contraction that gives the fatigue, I dunno...

The bad news - libido is dead, it takes a huge ammount of stimulation to get erect and the eq went down from 9 to 5-6.
And I feel like a fail

Can I ask why you have chosen the rk method rather than the more common kegel ?

The mistake is on my end I'm afraid. In the description I have put "medium-to-high reverse kegel" and that ended up being understood as very hard and forceful reverse kegel which was/is a mistake.

The idea of the timing is to use a reverse kegel as an indicator of the kegel spasms start and then when the kegel spasm starts overpowering the reverse kegel one must turn that spasm into a kegel hold. Imagine reverse kegel as your guard and a kegel spasm as the enemy attack, the moment the attack hits your guard you should "go with the flow" and use that attack momentum against the enemy and turn in into your own attack.

I apologize for not being more clear about this part. So ShivaLinga what you need to do is hold a medium reverse kegel in other words a reverse kegel strong enough so that you can feel a kegel spasm pushing that reverse kegel into a kegel, and during that you should let go of your reverse kegel and perform a kegel hold. I will edit the description,as well.

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The mistake is on my end I'm afraid. In the description I have put "medium-to-high reverse kegel" and that ended up being understood as very hard and forceful reverse kegel which was/is a mistake.

The idea of the timing is to use a reverse kegel as an indicator of the kegel spasms start and then when the kegel spasm starts overpowering the reverse kegel one must turn that spasm into a kegel hold. Imagine reverse kegel as your guard and a kegel spasm as the enemy attack, the moment the attack hits your guard you should "go with the flow" and use that attack momentum against the enemy and turn in into your own attack.

I apologize for not being more clear about this part. So ShivaLinga what you need to do is hold a medium reverse kegel in other words a reverse kegel strong enough so that you can feel a kegel spasm pushing that reverse kegel into a kegel, and during that you should let go of your reverse kegel and perform a kegel hold. I will edit the description,as well.

[ShivaLinga Member Find all posts View Profile Close ShivaLinga]

Can I ask why you have chosen the rk method rather than the more common kegel ?

I was trying out and experimenting different stuff while edging and found out that with a strong continuous RK I can maintain a big erection over a longer period of time while also staying very close to ponr and enjoy a specific pre-orgasmic feeling.

I was also hoping that somehow a strong RK might get me a DO and stop the ejaculation just as a strong kegel would...but somehow I got panicked and didn't manage either of them.

[ShivaLinga Member Find all posts View Profile Close ShivaLinga]

The mistake is on my end I'm afraid. In the description I have put "medium-to-high reverse kegel" and that ended up being understood as very hard and forceful reverse kegel which was/is a mistake.

The idea of the timing is to use a reverse kegel as an indicator of the kegel spasms start and then when the kegel spasm starts overpowering the reverse kegel one must turn that spasm into a kegel hold. Imagine reverse kegel as your guard and a kegel spasm as the enemy attack, the moment the attack hits your guard you should "go with the flow" and use that attack momentum against the enemy and turn in into your own attack.

I apologize for not being more clear about this part. So ShivaLinga what you need to do is hold a medium reverse kegel in other words a reverse kegel strong enough so that you can feel a kegel spasm pushing that reverse kegel into a kegel, and during that you should let go of your reverse kegel and perform a kegel hold. I will edit the description,as well.

No worries, it's not your mistake, just me trying out too many things in one shot and with a tired pelvic floor.

It's also easier said then done, when you pass ponr and get the rush of orgasm and feel the pulses it's not that easy to stay focused and do the right thing with the right technique to stop it. I got overwhelmed.

Thanks for the detailed explanation!

[ShivaLinga Member Find all posts View Profile Close ShivaLinga]

Very interesting, it makes sense to have the exhaustion after ejaculation with low testosterone but I haven't made that connection yet, it didn't occur to me.

One thing I know is that increased ejaculation can actually raise testosterone levels when done in moderation, so what you might try to experiment as well maybe to to take for example 2 weeks off every training and try and edge and ejaculate every second day to see how your body will react, this of course only if any other treatment is not working.

Though I somehow doubt you have low testosterone (but you might have some hormonal dis-balance, or maybe some deficiencies like zinc or magnesium) since you might not be able to build mass and muscles that easy then (but I am maybe wrong). Something is definitely odd with that phenomenon and it is quite present. You might want to google "drained after ejaculation" or something to get some idea what happens and why it might happen.

My opinion is that you need to find a solution for that not because you need to ejaculate more frequently as much as so that you don't feel drained when you decide to ejaculate.

Behold, the blood test results are complete! Blood taken at 8 AM.

Total testosterone 5.36 ng/ml
FSH 5.74 mIU/mL
LH 4.54 mIU/mL
estradiol 39 pg/ml
magnesium, calcium, minerals all ok
TGP 81 - this one is high, should be 0-50 but it is a recent rise, not something chronic, it can't explain the fatigue and low libido of the last 6 years.

What do you think?

I think T level is kinda low for age 28.

It might be due to a possible varicocele which I discovered personally by manual inspection (bag of worms present) because my left ball kindof hurts lately - after starting to do part 2.1 and 2.2 - the 20 second squeezez and the tri-step, maybe they force more blood into the testicles and somehow the blocked veins reacted to that by low pain.

But I will have to make an ultrasound to be sure of that actually is a varicocele.
Also doing sperm test today. We'll see the results in few days.

[DickerSchwanz Senior Member Member of the Month Sept 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close DickerSchwanz]

The reverse kegel, once trained to be strong enough and under concious control is enough to be hold slightly during arousal.
A strong kegel hold can counter stronger IK 's and also low intensity ponr 's but I cant see how it can counter a very strong ejaculation already brewing. And I trained my reverse kegel to a good strength.

To aid erection the reverse kegel can be focused more on the topside . There Ischiocavernosus aids erection.

To hold of a ponr and get a dry orgasm needs strong kegels as in beeing able to control the Bulbospongiosus muscle.(there is so much confusion about kegels around I dont like to call them kegels anymore) I have the timing and discernation figured but without the strength its impossible to master.

Is it agreed upon that the front kegel mainly engages the bulbospongiosus muscle ?

[tpns Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tpns]

This guide sure works as I have been doing DOs on and off past two years. It took me a while before I started doing clean DOs but it was sure a frustrating and learning period. Isolation being the utmost importance in this.

I am at a point where strength matters very little and all I care about is technique and timing. I guess minuteman knows it very well what I am talking about or anyone who is good in MMO.

Anyone know a good thread or guide for MMO? or maybe i should write one once I get a good grip of it. A little more read on Timing will also help coz that is something which I am trying to master these days and also helps in MMO. What you say Pegasus?

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Yes I know a good thread . this one.
Lots more info in the mmo club.

[tpns Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tpns]

Yes I know a good thread . this one.
Lots more info in the mmo club.

Thank you Pegasus. Just one small thing, I think you forgot to put the thread and club link.
Also any reads on Timing?

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Thank you Pegasus. Just one small thing, I think you forgot to put the thread and club link.
Also any reads on Timing?

Umm you have already found this thread we are both in it . If there is some specific aspect you are afte,r you should look in the mmo club which is not hard to find but anyway here is the link.
https://www.pegym.com/forums/groups/...y-orgasms.html

[Guccimayne1986 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Guccimayne1986]

Hello Minuteman,

I am currently in 0.2 of the DO guide. Is there a breathing pattern you recommend? For. e.g. Inhale with front kegel for 5 sec followed by exhale with front RK for 5 sec or something?

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Hello Minuteman,

I am currently in 0.2 of the DO guide. Is there a breathing pattern you recommend? For. e.g. Inhale with front kegel for 5 sec followed by exhale with front RK for 5 sec or something?

Not really. As you work you will find the breathing patter you find to be the best for you, try to be relaxed as much as you can in the areas other than the pelvic floor while you are doing the exercises and focus on the exercise itself as much as you can (taking in every detail of the movement, especially in the beginning) your body will then adapt the pattern that sees most useful. If that doesn't work then just test different patterns until you find the one you feel at ease with (tough continuous breathing is always preferred).