Minuteman's Dry Orgasm Guide

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Thanks Minuteman and MrB8 for the reply and advice! I have been reading all over the forum quite a bit and have had some success with stopping ejaculation and prolonging the time with that method. All though sometimes it is a bit hit and miss as to wether it works.

Maybe my pelvic floor needs more conditioning and I need more practice. Sometimes I think it is just too exciting and its ok to be quick on the trigger every now and then.

I was wondering wether balance in the pelvic floor is better for controlling your pelvic floor and response. I am thinking that balance and awareness with all 4 types of kegels would be more beneficial than just having a relaxed pelvic floor by doing mainly reverse kegels.

I also seem to loose EQ with light to medium reverse kegels and guessing that gaining balance with exercises would give me the EQ that I wantt and also the ability to relax and last?

Do you mainly use a light front reverse kegel to hold back the PONR or a combination between a light front reverse kegel and a light reverse root lock?

Also sometimes when I do a reverse kegel it almost feels like I am creating tension in the area as much as I would with a normal kegel. And since learning the reverse kegel and focusing on exercising it, I have noticed increased strength in my normal kegel holds.

Relaxed pelvic floor is beneficial that is why I recommend doing meditative reverse kegels before and after one exercise session, as you get more strength (rather than tension) you will have less and less need for consciously relaxing your pelvic floor.

I tend not to use any sort of pelvic floor movement in order to hold back the PONR because it can form to be a bad habbit (even now and then I still will kegel near PONR out of shear habbit) when edging having your pelvic floor neutral and relaxed is much more beneficial in the long run.

Reverse kegels help relax the pelvic floor and with that increase the range of motion for your kegel exercises, it is very hard to rise strength while your pelvic floor is tensioned.

If you haven't, I recommend you start with level 0 only, and at the end of that level you should see some improvements after that you can chose to continue to level 1.

[Willy25 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Willy25]

Thanks again Minuteman for the great advice!

So by keeping the exercises in your guide for outside of edging and creating balance in your pelvic floor, it will give you improved stamina and delay ejaculation without having to apply kegels while edging?.. Besides making a conscious effort to keep your pelvic floor relaxed and deep breathing?

Have you had success with this method? I realise there is a large combination of things that are used to learn how to delay ejaculation, but in your expert opinion, what do you think has been most helpful?

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Thanks again Minuteman for the great advice!

So by keeping the exercises in your guide for outside of edging and creating balance in your pelvic floor, it will give you improved stamina and delay ejaculation without having to apply kegels while edging?.. Besides making a conscious effort to keep your pelvic floor relaxed and deep breathing?

Have you had success with this method? I realise there is a large combination of things that are used to learn how to delay ejaculation, but in your expert opinion, what do you think has been most helpful?

Edging for 25-45 minutes and a solid pelvic floor routine (level 0,1 and 2 the third level is mostly for people aiming to learn and master DO) help eliminate most of not all balance and stamina problems you have, how ever other psychological or more specific problem you will need to find your own way to eliminate.

[tpns Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tpns]

First of all, I want to Thankyou Minuteman for a great and descriptive thread. It has already helped a lot of premE cases and will do coz its the most descriptive guide anyone can ever write!

Technique is the most crucial of the three. While if you have a strong and balanced pelvic floor you have a leeway when it comes to timing (meaning the window to actually hold your kegel gets wider), and with good timing you can afford to have a weaker pelvic floor (because you can optimize your strength), there is no substitute for the technique, making it the most crucial of the three.


One of the problems I noticed with myself and other is noticing that even though we hold the kegel it just isn't working as it should even though kegel hold holds on. Sometimes even though we think that we are focusing on a kegel hold in fact, because of the high intense situation, we might be holding a root lock.

Though my premE problem wasn't much a big thing and cleared out maintaining a good ratio of kegels and reverse kegels before i read this guide. But I did had a DO moment in my premE days where the Aha! moment was something to crave for every day or atleast every week :P which drove me to this guide and since then I did everything said in this guide. But one thing which you said in the above quoted paragraph, even though we hold the kegel, it just isn't working as it should even though kegel hold holds on.

Now, the same thing is happening with me, everything is perfect, enough strength, timing is right but still the ejaculation happens, and not so Aha! moment and I am quite sure I did the towel raises pretty right. So my question is, how did you overcome this? Just the towel raises? If yes, do you think there is another possible situation for this or just need to do more of those towel raises?

Another question, when edging, everything goes good till the moment when my penis head starts to get too much sensitive and just touching it sends the "shocks" enough to raise the spasm kegels, is that a normal thing? Once this starts, I am kegeling the pc muscle on every shock and the feel through my body and muscles is awesome but not reaching my head for the Aha! moment What does this say? Partial DO? Coz I keep getting those shocks for a good amount of time and I keep taking them by kegels and some precum is seen as well. What is this? Should I be expecting anything after this coz my penis goes flaccid after that for some time and is back on after a few jelq's.

Sorry for such a long post and so many questions, I did a good part of my search before asking those and I just had to put them all in one post as to clear out those confusing things.

Thanks again for such a beautiful guide and taking time to support it.

[Vociferous Member Find all posts View Profile Close Vociferous]

To Minuteman,

I have completed all three levels, and I am now practicing the 'Timing' section.

When I reach PONR, I stop, reverse Kegal and slowly edge. However, as I slowly edge I get the first squirt of the load of ejaculate, with no first accompanying spasm, perhaps the reverse Kegal hides the first spasm feeling, which makes it hard to know when to go into the Kegal hold, because I cannot feel the first spasm.

After the first squirt I can definitely feel a spasm (whether it is the second spasm or not remains uncertain), I try to Kegal hold, but the subsequent spasms overcome it.

Pehaps the first squirt is pre cum? That may be why I cannot feel a spasm.
Because I cannot overcome the subsequent spasms, I probably need to work on strength. Should I go back to solely 10sec/20sec towel raises?

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

First of all, I want to Thankyou Minuteman for a great and descriptive thread. It has already helped a lot of premE cases and will do coz its the most descriptive guide anyone can ever write!



Though my premE problem wasn't much a big thing and cleared out maintaining a good ratio of kegels and reverse kegels before i read this guide. But I did had a DO moment in my premE days where the Aha! moment was something to crave for every day or atleast every week :P which drove me to this guide and since then I did everything said in this guide. But one thing which you said in the above quoted paragraph, even though we hold the kegel, it just isn't working as it should even though kegel hold holds on.

Now, the same thing is happening with me, everything is perfect, enough strength, timing is right but still the ejaculation happens, and not so Aha! moment and I am quite sure I did the towel raises pretty right. So my question is, how did you overcome this? Just the towel raises? If yes, do you think there is another possible situation for this or just need to do more of those towel raises?

Another question, when edging, everything goes good till the moment when my penis head starts to get too much sensitive and just touching it sends the "shocks" enough to raise the spasm kegels, is that a normal thing? Once this starts, I am kegeling the pc muscle on every shock and the feel through my body and muscles is awesome but not reaching my head for the Aha! moment What does this say? Partial DO? Coz I keep getting those shocks for a good amount of time and I keep taking them by kegels and some precum is seen as well. What is this? Should I be expecting anything after this coz my penis goes flaccid after that for some time and is back on after a few jelq's.

Sorry for such a long post and so many questions, I did a good part of my search before asking those and I just had to put them all in one post as to clear out those confusing things.

Thanks again for such a beautiful guide and taking time to support it.

Towel raises helped me immensely to get the technique down because of the way you have to engage and hold the muscles in order to raise the towel, all that is left is trying to reproduce it without the towel and then using it for DO.

Those shocks usually happen when one has a very good erection and is close to PONR, those shocks can also be used to somewhat initiate a soft wave orgasms (though his is hard and it very much depends on the person). Usually this mean that if you don't plan to DO or are not used to it much, that you should back of so that your arousal level goes down a bit.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

To Minuteman,

I have completed all three levels, and I am now practicing the 'Timing' section.

When I reach PONR, I stop, reverse Kegal and slowly edge. However, as I slowly edge I get the first squirt of the load of ejaculate, with no first accompanying spasm, perhaps the reverse Kegal hides the first spasm feeling, which makes it hard to know when to go into the Kegal hold, because I cannot feel the first spasm.

After the first squirt I can definitely feel a spasm (whether it is the second spasm or not remains uncertain), I try to Kegal hold, but the subsequent spasms overcome it.

Pehaps the first squirt is pre cum? That may be why I cannot feel a spasm.
Because I cannot overcome the subsequent spasms, I probably need to work on strength. Should I go back to solely 10sec/20sec towel raises?

Timing takes a while to get down because you must be very observant of your body. Also it might be that you are not holding the reverse kegel properly because in order to ejaculate your body has to perform a kegel spasm and it should not since you are holding the muscles in question via reverse kegel, so in order to your body to perform a kegel it must first override your reverse kegel.

Overcoming subsequent spasms it not that good of an idea if you didn't overcome the first one since in the normal situation every other spasm would be much weaker, wheres in your situation you are stopping a much stronger spasm which also puts to much pressure on your pelvic floor muscles and might injure something.

So I don't think you should work on strength (other than maybe towel raises in order to perfect the kegel hold later on) rather than that you should take your time and observe your ejaculation process closely and see if your reverse kegel is actually a reverse motion of the kegel your perform while ejaculating, it can be hard but if you have passed 3 pelvic floor routine levels it should be obtainable.

[tpns Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tpns]

Thank You Minuteman, Towel raises it is. I think I got the solution to this today, I tried doing towel raises in different positions and standing position was the most helpful and I think I got the idea of what needs to be done now. Just need to practice it a bit more and go another shot at performing DO. BTW, you should get a gal soon and get us a guide for DO while having sex, that will be the ultimate dream of every man or atleast for me. Or maybe I will beat you to it or there is already one in any of the MMO groups. Will look around and see what I can gather the most on this subject. P.S. I was just kidding abt the galfrnd thing, dont mean to imply on you or anything. Just trying to make frnds here

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Thank You Minuteman, Towel raises it is. I think I got the solution to this today, I tried doing towel raises in different positions and standing position was the most helpful and I think I got the idea of what needs to be done now. Just need to practice it a bit more and go another shot at performing DO. BTW, you should get a gal soon and get us a guide for DO while having sex, that will be the ultimate dream of every man or atleast for me. Or maybe I will beat you to it or there is already one in any of the MMO groups. Will look around and see what I can gather the most on this subject. P.S. I was just kidding abt the galfrnd thing, dont mean to imply on you or anything. Just trying to make frnds here

I am in no way offended, it is a fact, me having more sex (or sex at all) will probably enable me to contribute even more to this guide. As you said, however, you are welcome in sharing your experiences, ideas and other here (or even creating a guide of your own) in the end we all here in order to get better.

[dobby Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dobby]

Hey Minuteman

You seem to have total balance over your pelvic floor.

I recently started a heavy RK only routine.

I notice sometimes when I hold a really good RK, my body kegels involuntarily after.

Also, after shitting I have uncontrollable kegels.

Is this something that continues to happen naturally or do you get to a point where you can completely control all of your IKs inside and outside of edging?

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Hey Minuteman

You seem to have total balance over your pelvic floor.

I recently started a heavy RK only routine.

I notice sometimes when I hold a really good RK, my body kegels involuntarily after.

Also, after shitting I have uncontrollable kegels.

Is this something that continues to happen naturally or do you get to a point where you can completely control all of your IKs inside and outside of edging?

I noticed that myself but I am unsure if it is because of the habit, or a tight pelvic floor. For me even now I find that I am unable to control all IKs but as with premature ejaculation itself it is much less of a problem than before.

[Shivv Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Shivv]

I do get reverse kegels and i can do them, but taking 3-5 seconds to inflate completely is clumsy since they are not so controllable like regular kegels. With the inflation of the area with reverse kegels we are talking here about a physical movement of like 1mm or so. lol That's not so practical trying to time that movement in like 5 seconds, actually it's impossible. Even when forcefully doing a reverse kegel/reverse root lock to the point where you are really pushing like you're taking a massive dump the area barely moves so you should defenitly drop the seconds mark on this one imo. Just concentrate on completely relaxing the area and there's your reverse kegel

[Vociferous Member Find all posts View Profile Close Vociferous]

To Minuteman,

I have been observing ejaculations as you advised. The involuntary spasm interrupts the reverse kegal, and I am suppose to turn that involuntary spasm into a kegal?

Following 4-5 observations, I attempted a DO. Here's what happened: 1) Involuntary spasm interrupted reverse kegal, I then performed a kegal, slightly after the involuntary spasm, and the subsequent spasms were mild, but lasted a while (not limited to 3-4). I could regain a semi erection, but peeing into a cup revealed sperm, and I felt slight sensation around belly button, all indicating retrograde ejac.

- Today I did less of a reverse kegal, to concentrate on turning the involuntary spasm into a kegal hold. However, as I attempted the kegal the involuntary spasm cancelled my normal kegal hold! It nearly compromised the kegal hold for the subsequent spasms. Pee test revealed sperm, but perhaps sperm which was more left in the shaft, rather than bladder. The subsequent spasms were not strong as my previous attempts, and there was no slight sensation around belly button.

Regarding turning the involuntary spasm into a kegal, if the invol cancels kegals. Am I suppose to kegal hold like a miliasecond after involuntary spasm. So it doesn't compromise the quality of kegal hold?

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

I have been observing ejaculations as you advised. The involuntary spasm interrupts the reverse kegal, and I am suppose to turn that involuntary spasm into a kegal?

Yes the moment you feel that the involuntary spasm is overpowering the reverse kegel you must turn it into a complete kegel hold in order to get the desired effect (dry orgasm) you will notice that you have done this correctly when there is only one (or eventually two, but you should aim for one) more spasm that is much much more weaker than the next, after that there should be no spasms.

Regarding turning the involuntary spasm into a kegal, if the invol cancels kegals. Am I suppose to kegal hold like a miliasecond after involuntary spasm. So it doesn't compromise the quality of kegal hold?

No, you should avoid it. If the involuntary kegel cancels your kegel hold then at best you will end up with a partial ejaculation (in other words never re-hold a kegel hold). It seems that your kegel hold is either not strong (which is odd since you have completed 3rd level of the pelvic floor routine) enough or that your technique is not good enough since you are unable to create a complete kegel hold that will stop the spasm/involuntary kegels.

[Vociferous Member Find all posts View Profile Close Vociferous]

To Minuteman,

Please forgive my ignorance.

Just to clarify. In the guide it says "In nature, no matter how balanced your pelvic floor is that kegel spasm will override any kegel hold", but you said "If the involuntary kegal cancels your kegal hold...", which I interpret as invol is unlikely to "override".

Perhaps don't kegal before involuntary spasm, so it doesn't "override" it, but do kegal hold "along" with invol spasm, but don't kegal hold after invol spasm? Because kegal holding after will not limit the subsequent spasms to "one spasm or eventually two".