Minuteman's Dry Orgasm Guide

[wannafixpe Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close wannafixpe]

Hey minuteman,
So I want to do your routine that you provided in order to hope to fix my PE but I can never tell if I am doing reverse kegals correctly nor do I know what the other exercises are. I have never heard of root-lock? IS there anything you could explain to me on how to do those correctly. Thanks!

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Hey minuteman,
So I want to do your routine that you provided in order to hope to fix my PE but I can never tell if I am doing reverse kegals correctly nor do I know what the other exercises are. I have never heard of root-lock? IS there anything you could explain to me on how to do those correctly. Thanks!

For general questions visit the premE FAQ, for detailed descriptions of the exercises visit the master list.

[magneto7 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close magneto7]

Hi MM,

Thanks for the comprehensive guide. I'm about 2 weeks in...Quick question: Before treating your premE, did you historically AIK (asynchronous involuntary kegel) during urination and defecation?

I've been doing that for as long as I can remember - When pissing, I do a very strong involuntary kegel to get the last drops of urine out. When defecating, I often involuntary kegel to stop the bowel movement and it delays the process. I know some others on the forum have experienced the same, and there's been some minor debate about whether it's normal or not.

I just want to make sure this DO routine is right for me -- As opposed to biofeedback that physical therapists apply for people with overactive pelvic floors. I obviously prefer to try this. Interested to hear from others as well who have successfully completed the guide...You guys who have gotten rid of your involuntary kegels: Were they just during stimulation and lifting heavy objects etc. OR did you have them when urinating/defecating too. I know kegels are not a bad thing (4-way balance is the goal), I just want to make sure I'm not an extreme case.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Hi MM,

Thanks for the comprehensive guide. I'm about 2 weeks in...Quick question: Before treating your premE, did you historically AIK (asynchronous involuntary kegel) during urination and defecation?

I've been doing that for as long as I can remember - When pissing, I do a very strong involuntary kegel to get the last drops of urine out. When defecating, I often involuntary kegel to stop the bowel movement and it delays the process. I know some others on the forum have experienced the same, and there's been some minor debate about whether it's normal or not.

I just want to make sure this DO routine is right for me -- As opposed to biofeedback that physical therapists apply for people with overactive pelvic floors. I obviously prefer to try this. Interested to hear from others as well who have successfully completed the guide...You guys who have gotten rid of your involuntary kegels: Were they just during stimulation and lifting heavy objects etc. OR did you have them when urinating/defecating too. I know kegels are not a bad thing (4-way balance is the goal), I just want to make sure I'm not an extreme case.

I think members tend to over react with pelvic floor movement during urination and defecation, I use both kegels and reverse kegels (and root locks and reverse root locks) while having either type of bowel movements, both on a conscious and probably unconscious level.

The good part of this focus (awareness) is the pelvic floor awareness that helps in the everyday life where you notice that your pelvic floor tenses etc, also during edging etc.

While I can't speak for others, I notice that I sometimes do a strong kegel near the end of the urination and I find no problem on it.

As for the feedback on this routine, members tend not to leave feedback either because they did not complete it or found it not as useful so you will in essence have to decide for yourself. Routine is not bad but it needs optimizations and that is mostly left to an individual, I have written about it before in this topic in some later pages so you should check it out.

[wannafixpe Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close wannafixpe]

Ok, so when doing the reverse kegel I can not hold for longer than like a second because I am holding my breath. I know I am not supposed to do this but how do I do a RK without holding my breath. It seems whenever I breathe out, I lose the RK

Thanks

[longerlastingnoob Senior Member Member of the Month Jan 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close longerlastingnoob]

Ok, so when doing the reverse kegel I can not hold for longer than like a second because I am holding my breath. I know I am not supposed to do this but how do I do a RK without holding my breath. It seems whenever I breathe out, I lose the RK

Thanks

You should breath in slowly and out slowly, around 5 secs for both, repeat about 5 or 6 times and then on next breath in push out rk ( 5 count ) and release on exhale ( 5 count ) and repeat. I would suggest aiming for 20-40 a day, 3 or 4 times a week.

[magneto7 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close magneto7]

I think members tend to over react with pelvic floor movement during urination and defecation, I use both kegels and reverse kegels (and root locks and reverse root locks) while having either type of bowel movements, both on a conscious and probably unconscious level.

The good part of this focus (awareness) is the pelvic floor awareness that helps in the everyday life where you notice that your pelvic floor tenses etc, also during edging etc.

While I can't speak for others, I notice that I sometimes do a strong kegel near the end of the urination and I find no problem on it.

As for the feedback on this routine, members tend not to leave feedback either because they did not complete it or found it not as useful so you will in essence have to decide for yourself. Routine is not bad but it needs optimizations and that is mostly left to an individual, I have written about it before in this topic in some later pages so you should check it out.

Thanks for the reply minute man. I just posted a new thread in the PremE forum titled "Split Urine Stream - Hypertonic Pelvic Floor". Your insights would be a great help.

[PAWGHunter Member Find all posts View Profile Close PAWGHunter]

Thanks a lot for all this info man! I kind of discovered DOs myself when I first started having sex but you really helped me get a handle on it. I’m at a place we’re I’m trying to master DO but like everyone says, the timing is tricky. I was able to do 2 DOs in a row last night, the first clean and nothing came out, the second one had a little fluid, probably prec-cum. I peed in a cup afterward to see if it was cloudy, there were bubbles on the top but not like a lot like I assume a retrograde would produce. I’m not sure if anyone could advise on my timing, it feels like the time between ponr and ejaculation is about 1 or 2 seconds. I usually kegel after about one second when I feel the sperm start to travel up but I feel like I’m waiting too long. Like the sperm is about halfway the distance it needs to travel before I start the hold then it travels back down. I’m wondering if I should hold sooner. I do have more than 3 spasms afterward, I
don’t touch myself at all at first after the DO but after a few seconds have pasts, I touch myself feel a spasm and let go, touch, feel spasm and let go 4 or 5 times until they stop.

[spiky Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close spiky]

Thanks for all your guides, it have helped me understand much more

When I was reading in your guide about the importance in cleaning the pipe and the prostate, and you write, " For those that are DOing for a while now, they should ejaculate at the end of every session or the next day."

I'm was wounding if where is a other way to cleaning out, and then I was thinking about, all thoughts time, I have tried to do DO, and it failed, and the sperm was coming out, and I was able to, do this 3-4 times, and after sperming 3-4 times, I came fully, all the way, and I notes when I came all the way, where was not coming no sperm out, so my thoughts was, cut this be another way to clean the prostate and pipe, just sperming until you can't spream anymore, but don't cum fully, and you can do this whiteout it ends up in the bladder.? It's what you call "Dribble Ejaculation"

Because I have tried to sperming 3-5 per day, whiteout Cuming fully, and I noticed, that I lost some off my energi after, but not like if I have Cuming fully, but the thing I like the most was that I was still 30-50% Horny, and next day I I'm much more motivated, to do other things, because of the horny'nes.

In the other hand, if i had cum fully, my hornynes would have been 0%, and next day my energy is low, I know this is normal, but I don't want to have low energy.

When I get DO, I am not sure if it is DO I get, because I don't always have to kegel, 50% off the time, I gets this wonderful feeling, whit out the spasms, and I can get 2-5, off those after each other, before I have to kegel, and after reading something about tantra, I was thinking it might be that I'm doing.
And at the same time I use kegels, in the end, to stop the spasms, but it does not feel like a normal orgasme, its weaker, and some times the spasms is to strong, and I can't hold it, and I sperm, and it go to the bladder, so I wonder if am not strong enough, ore it's timing, but I am starting you're kegel routine, just to be sure.

But anyway if I can only get the wonderful feeling, and the sperm dont end up in the bladder, ore the other may, and dont cum fully, when i keep the energy afterwards, also the horny'nes, and next day I full of energy and motivation.

So my point is that i don't want to cum fully, I want to be horny, and have high energy, all the time, maybe just cum ones at week, just to be safe, and because the testosteron picks in day number 7.

The reason I want to keep the hornynes and energy, is because of my depression and anxiety.
When I do not cum fully, I only need 6-8 hours of sleep, and have no problem to get up, and have energy all day, and my anxiety is lower.

When I do cum fully, I sleep up to 12 hours, and when I awake, I do not have the motivation to get up, and all day I don't have the same energy, and I get more anxiety.

What do you think about my thoughts, can I clean up the pipe and prostate, whit just sperming until you can't spream anymore, whitout cuming fully, and it doesn't end up in the bladder?
Ore is there no way around if you have done DO in a while, you should cum fully every time, ore the day after.?

And why is it, you whites that " For those that are DOing for a while now, they should ejaculate at the end of every session or the next day."?
What happens if I do it only ons at week, and i do DO every day?

I also won't to say, that I take medicine fore depression and anxiety, and it does it hard for me to get my dick hard, and difficult to get ejaculation, but after starting kegel i have a hard dick when I wont on, and I can get a ejaculation when I wont, whit out porn or thinking on porn, I only think on the pleasure.

So it have help me much, so thank too all off you where makes this website possible

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Pawg I suggest your timing is late . It is difficult to tell retro from urine.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Thanks for all your guides, it have helped me understand much more

When I was reading in your guide about the importance in cleaning the pipe and the prostate, and you write, " For those that are DOing for a while now, they should ejaculate at the end of every session or the next day."

I'm was wounding if where is a other way to cleaning out, and then I was thinking about, all thoughts time, I have tried to do DO, and it failed, and the sperm was coming out, and I was able to, do this 3-4 times, and after sperming 3-4 times, I came fully, all the way, and I notes when I came all the way, where was not coming no sperm out, so my thoughts was, cut this be another way to clean the prostate and pipe, just sperming until you can't spream anymore, but don't cum fully, and you can do this whiteout it ends up in the bladder.? It's what you call "Dribble Ejaculation"

Because I have tried to sperming 3-5 per day, whiteout Cuming fully, and I noticed, that I lost some off my energi after, but not like if I have Cuming fully, but the thing I like the most was that I was still 30-50% Horny, and next day I I'm much more motivated, to do other things, because of the horny'nes.

In the other hand, if i had cum fully, my hornynes would have been 0%, and next day my energy is low, I know this is normal, but I don't want to have low energy.

When I get DO, I am not sure if it is DO I get, because I don't always have to kegel, 50% off the time, I gets this wonderful feeling, whit out the spasms, and I can get 2-5, off those after each other, before I have to kegel, and after reading something about tantra, I was thinking it might be that I'm doing.
And at the same time I use kegels, in the end, to stop the spasms, but it does not feel like a normal orgasme, its weaker, and some times the spasms is to strong, and I can't hold it, and I sperm, and it go to the bladder, so I wonder if am not strong enough, ore it's timing, but I am starting you're kegel routine, just to be sure.

But anyway if I can only get the wonderful feeling, and the sperm dont end up in the bladder, ore the other may, and dont cum fully, when i keep the energy afterwards, also the horny'nes, and next day I full of energy and motivation.

So my point is that i don't want to cum fully, I want to be horny, and have high energy, all the time, maybe just cum ones at week, just to be safe, and because the testosteron picks in day number 7.

The reason I want to keep the hornynes and energy, is because of my depression and anxiety.
When I do not cum fully, I only need 6-8 hours of sleep, and have no problem to get up, and have energy all day, and my anxiety is lower.

When I do cum fully, I sleep up to 12 hours, and when I awake, I do not have the motivation to get up, and all day I don't have the same energy, and I get more anxiety.

What do you think about my thoughts, can I clean up the pipe and prostate, whit just sperming until you can't spream anymore, whitout cuming fully, and it doesn't end up in the bladder?
Ore is there no way around if you have done DO in a while, you should cum fully every time, ore the day after.?

And why is it, you whites that " For those that are DOing for a while now, they should ejaculate at the end of every session or the next day."?
What happens if I do it only ons at week, and i do DO every day?

I also won't to say, that I take medicine fore depression and anxiety, and it does it hard for me to get my dick hard, and difficult to get ejaculation, but after starting kegel i have a hard dick when I wont on, and I can get a ejaculation when I wont, whit out porn or thinking on porn, I only think on the pleasure.

So it have help me much, so thank too all off you where makes this website possible

I have somewhat been in your position, and to some degree I still am. The fact that you feel to drained after ejaculation points to other problems.

First of all you need to take a good look at what you eat, since you might have some deficiency (look into zinc, magnesium for example), the best way for this is to check with your doctor if you can get some kind of blood analysis test to determine this. Also experiment ejaculating at different times of the day, that can also affect things.

The other problem might be that your body is not used to ejaculating, or that you are not used to the stress you endure during masturbation/edging.

A bunch of this problems can be overcame with engaging your body better (going to the gym etc) and paying a better attention to what you eat.

It is up to you, but I would suggest to you to ejaculate every 3rd day if you are frequently edging (and not ejaculating at the end of the session). The problem is that the state you are experiencing is because of the epinephrine and serotonin that your body uses when you masturbate and have sex, the problem with that is that it can lower your immunity and it was not meant (at least I think so) to last for an extended amount of time.

On the other hand I have done the same thing with a 3day routine so I understand your desire to maintain that "high" as long as you can.

[quote]And why is it, you whites that " For those that are DOing for a while now, they should ejaculate at the end of every session or the next day."?
What happens if I do it only ons at week, and i do DO every day?[quote]

The liquids stay there and are not expelled as they should be (weather they are reabsorbed or not I do not know) and it can also cause epididymal hypertension.

The thing is that most of this here is not medically supported since we simply do not know what would happen if you would for example just DO and ejaculate only once in a while, so I tend to err on the side of caution (as most should do). So in that light if you find that ejaculating only once a week while DOing every day would benefit you far more than the potential prostate problems (and I only assume that there might be prostate problems since the studies show that ejaculation improves prostate health).

Now your method of multiple ejaculation does not trigger the refractory period and enables you to continue to feel full of energy while you have emptied your prostate. In theory this sounds like a win-win situation, the problem is that I simply do not know weather it has harmful effect on a person or not long term, and the only way to know is to try it out (which again, since I tend to err on the side of caution would not recommend) and it is ultimately up to you if you want to do it or not, it might be a good idea to trust your instinct and just go with it.

This whole area in fact is so little explored that some sources say that frequent ejaculation if good, while other say that frequent ejaculation is bad.

In conclusion, weight the pros and cons of your situation. If not ejaculating helps you so much that it improves the quality of your life then maybe you should go along with it and try, if somewhere along the line you notice any bad things or you start feeling uncomfortable and worse then stop.

If you decide to do it, feel free to post your progress and experiences here again here in a month or two.

[vegeta_star Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close vegeta_star]

Hi, Can I ask u something?
I have been do your routine over level 0 in strength part. Now I very excited to move on to next level 1 but when I read your post I'm not understand well when in level 1 you said : "Try to hold stable kegels but should be medium not hard ".
Does it mean I should perform those kegels by move the muscles to just haft way and try to hold it stable for some amount of times ?
Please help me with this ! and sorry for my poor English.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Hi, Can I ask u something?
I have been do your routine over level 0 in strength part. Now I very excited to move on to next level 1 but when I read your post I'm not understand well when in level 1 you said : "Try to hold stable kegels but should be medium not hard ".
Does it mean I should perform those kegels by move the muscles to just haft way and try to hold it stable for some amount of times ?
Please help me with this ! and sorry for my poor English.

Yes something like that. It generally means that you should avoid clenching the pelvic floor as hard as you can and just clench until you can feel the clench and feel that you can clench even more. That way you are exercising the hold while decreasing the chance for potential injury.

[spiky Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close spiky]

Thanks for your answer, I now understand your guide better
I have been to the doctor and have taken blood sample, and all was fine.
I will try to do it in a other time off the day next time to see if it does some thing else, too the energy.
I eating alot of food whit alot of protein, because I I'm training muscles 3 times at week, and cardio 3 times at week, I don't know if what have some to say. And I also remember to get my vegetables and fruits every day, and fishes and fibers.
What do you mean whit this "so I tend to err on the side of caution " ?
I also can se the benefit in ejaculation many times at week.
I have read that blue balls isn't dangerous, so that I'm not afraid of, but the prostate I I'm afraid of, but things that it will benefit me more to get more energy, because when I have more energy, I eat more healthy food, and I training much more. And when I do not have energy, I do not train and I don't eat healthy, and I lie down all day, I think the last won will give me more chances to prostate cancer.

I think I will DO every day and ejaculat ones at week, and se that happens, and I will white all down, and post it here in a month or two.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Thanks for your answer, I now understand your guide better
I have been to the doctor and have taken blood sample, and all was fine.
I will try to do it in a other time off the day next time to see if it does some thing else, too the energy.
I eating alot of food whit alot of protein, because I I'm training muscles 3 times at week, and cardio 3 times at week, I don't know if what have some to say. And I also remember to get my vegetables and fruits every day, and fishes and fibers.
What do you mean whit this "so I tend to err on the side of caution " ?
I also can se the benefit in ejaculation many times at week.
I have read that blue balls isn't dangerous, so that I'm not afraid of, but the prostate I I'm afraid of, but things that it will benefit me more to get more energy, because when I have more energy, I eat more healthy food, and I training much more. And when I do not have energy, I do not train and I don't eat healthy, and I lie down all day, I think the last won will give me more chances to prostate cancer.

I think I will DO every day and ejaculat ones at week, and se that happens, and I will white all down, and post it here in a month or two.

Well you should have posted that you actively work out before it actually matters, since that might be the reason you feel drained after ejaculation, since when you are training the timing of ejaculation is also important, so you should experiment ejaculating at different times of the day. For me, at this point, ejaculating after the workout before bed seems to work best.

Also it might be a good idea to take a snack after ejaculating, that seems to work out for me in decreasing the effects, or try to ejaculate about an hour after a meal, either way experiment with timing. You can eat a handful of almonds after ejaculating, since they have zinc in it.

To "err on the side of caution" means is that it is better to make a mistake thinking that some action is dangerous rather than that it is safe because the repercussions are not as big.

Sometimes the body needs it rest, but I can also agree to your way of thinking. In my mind the ideal would be do do every day but ejaculate every 3rd day, when it comes to this (though the ideal without that would be to simply ejaculate every day). So my suggestion might be to start as you have planned and as you experiment with food and with ejaculating at different times of the day you slowly decrease the time you spend without ejaculation (from one every week to once every 5 days etc).

Good luck.