Minuteman's Dry Orgasm Guide

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Minuteman,

So you're able to keep stroking DURING the DO/kegal hold? Or you you're able to stroke very soon AFTER DO/kegal hold? I would love to be able to continue stroking DURING DO/kegal hold!

Is there a limit to how many DO's you can have before it becomes unhealthy?

After your multiple DOs on the last orgasm you decide it to be ejaculation orgasm. Doe much cum come out? For example you had 5 DOs and then on the 6th had a normal ejaculation orgasm.

Thanks

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Minuteman,

So you're able to keep stroking DURING the DO/kegal hold? Or you you're able to stroke very soon AFTER DO/kegal hold? I would love to be able to continue stroking DURING DO/kegal hold!

Is there a limit to how many DO's you can have before it becomes unhealthy?

After your multiple DOs on the last orgasm you decide it to be ejaculation orgasm. Doe much cum come out? For example you had 5 DOs and then on the 6th had a normal ejaculation orgasm.

Thanks

Both. I was able to stroke during the hold itself and after it, it takes time to get used to id but it is possible, however it really isn't that necessary. You can use that time in sex to change the position for example etc.

I tended not to have more than 2 (rarely 3) and my ejaculation after is is normal even more high pressured then usual, now days I may have one but DOs are not my sphere of interest currently. Granted I tend to edge 2 (rarely) times a week and ejaculate.

Well for now I suggest you keep it at 2 it is better to have 1 or 2 per session and be consistent then have more and be uncertain.

As for how much DO until becomes unhealthy, I don't know but you should avoid doing to much because it stresses the pelvic floor. But this side of DO is largely unexplored so venture at your own risk.

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Do you have a kegal maintenance routine? What is it?

Not much ejaculation came out for me when I have actual ejaculation orgasm. So I'm guessing its partially retrograde. But I only get one invol spasm. Hell sometimes none. In subsequent DOs.

What are you current PE interests?

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Do you have a kegal maintenance routine? What is it?

Not much ejaculation came out for me when I have actual ejaculation orgasm. So I'm guessing its partially retrograde. But I only get one invol spasm. Hell sometimes none. In subsequent DOs.

What are you current PE interests?

Since I don't do much DOs I don't have a maintenance routine but in the guide there is a section:

10) PELVIC FLOOR ROUTINE - 'Keeping in shape'

The as you have seen this is a pretty complete progressive routine and as such it will bring you to a high level, but the question is how to stay at that level. It is actually easy.

Once you have finished with level 3. You have total 4 .5 sublevels that are the routines that have all the exercies for that level. So you can do them one per day, but making a pause each day in between so you end up with a week where the first day you do the 0.5 routine twice a day, then make a day pause, then 1.5 routine twice a day, then make pause then 2.5 twice a way, then make pause and them do 3.5 routine.

After 2-3 weeks of this, instead of doing two per day settle for one per day. And to this for another 2-3 weeks. Alter on make a week pause betwenn and if you notice to much of a drop in performance you can always back it up. But the nature of those mucles is that you will really have no need.

I have no premE (an no PE either) interests at the moment, I am now focused mostly on the lifestyle change (increased physical activity, addition of new things in my life in which I can be constructive) and seeing how it affects my edging sessions and my mental state. And it also keeps my mind totally of all the premE problems which is a blessing in itself. Sometimes the best way to deal with premE is to not make a big deal about it after you have made some solid foundations. The only rule I have is to have a edging session longer than 20 minutes and that I enjoy that session, everything else is optional.

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I've tried experimenting with the DO in different positions. My Kegal hold has less effect while laying down fully on my back and whilst stood up. Lol. Did you notice this? Solution?

My best DO is when I am upright on my knees. Or sat upright in a chair.

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I've tried experimenting with the DO in different positions. My Kegal hold has less effect while laying down fully on my back and whilst stood up. Lol. Did you notice this? Solution?

My best DO is when I am upright on my knees. Or sat upright in a chair.

Exercising in those positions.

For me the easiest way to perform a DO is by standing or while laying on my back, it differs from person to person.

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Minuteman,
First of all i want to thank you for all the detailed information you have provided all of us with. It really helps makes learning all this less frustrating and stressfull.
My issue is I can have a dry orgasm but I go limp afterwards. I know you spoke about this little and said this is the mind getting used to having a dry orgasm. I have had 3 DO so far and went limp after all three and they were clean DO's and no sperm in pee afterwards.. You mentioned that this usually goes away after about 10 DO's. I just wanted to know more info on this and if you or anyone else have had this issue and if it was fixed? How did you come up with the 10 DO before body gets used to it? just a little worried since I worked so hard to get the pic muscle strong and then get timing right to have a DO and now my erections is not there after. What can I do get my erection from going away?

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Minuteman,
First of all i want to thank you for all the detailed information you have provided all of us with. It really helps makes learning all this less frustrating and stressfull.
My issue is I can have a dry orgasm but I go limp afterwards. I know you spoke about this little and said this is the mind getting used to having a dry orgasm. I have had 3 DO so far and went limp after all three and they were clean DO's and no sperm in pee afterwards.. You mentioned that this usually goes away after about 10 DO's. I just wanted to know more info on this and if you or anyone else have had this issue and if it was fixed? How did you come up with the 10 DO before body gets used to it? just a little worried since I worked so hard to get the pic muscle strong and then get timing right to have a DO and now my erections is not there after. What can I do get my erection from going away?

Whenever I talk about numbers I can only talk about personal experience, in other words it took me about 10 DO's to have an solid erection afterwards (though I don't even remember writing about this, so I am guessing).

One of the ways I got the erection going was to continue edging and to watch porn immediately after the DO to provide myself with sufficient arousal.

We are all different, someone can do it in even less, some will have to work much more, it all depends on a lot of factors.

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Whenever I talk about numbers I can only talk about personal experience, in other words it took me about 10 DO's to have an solid erection afterwards (though I don't even remember writing about this, so I am guessing).

One of the ways I got the erection going was to continue edging and to watch porn immediately after the DO to provide myself with sufficient arousal.

We are all different, someone can do it in even less, some will have to work much more, it all depends on a lot of factors.

Thanks! That helps a lot. I will continue edging after the DO.

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I've been excersising kegels for quite a while now...I mean just flexing my pelvic area as a whole both kagels and root locks...it's been almost 5 months or so...even though I made some progresses and my muscles are a bit stronger they are not nearly ready for do or at least I haven't tried to prove it but I think I need more training. My question lies in isolation. How important it is? Is it essential for do's?or can we just flex everything in the right time and get a DO?also i am confused about revrse kagels and I am not sure if I'm doing them right...all I did so far was flex my pelvic floor hard release and then relax as much as possible...but I donno if I have a disorder or if I'm doing the reverse kagels right and the guide about revrse kegels left me a bit confused.

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I've been excersising kegels for quite a while now...I mean just flexing my pelvic area as a whole both kagels and root locks...it's been almost 5 months or so...even though I made some progresses and my muscles are a bit stronger they are not nearly ready for do or at least I haven't tried to prove it but I think I need more training. My question lies in isolation. How important it is? Is it essential for do's?or can we just flex everything in the right time and get a DO?also i am confused about revrse kagels and I am not sure if I'm doing them right...all I did so far was flex my pelvic floor hard release and then relax as much as possible...but I donno if I have a disorder or if I'm doing the reverse kagels right and the guide about revrse kegels left me a bit confused.

You can't just flex, you need to clench and hold the muscles involved (kegel hold) in such way that the strength of the hold wont waver for at least 15 seconds. If you miss the timing or if you don't have sufficient strength you will end up having a bad DO which manifests itself trough retrograde ejaculation, which can potentially injure you and you will lose your erection just as you have ejaculated normally.

To answer your question more directly, full isolation isn't necessary your aim should be to able to hold the muscles for an extended amount of time with sufficient strength and sufficient consistency. The best way to determine what muscles should you engage is to do a towel raise and see the muscles that activate in effort to lift the towel (don't use a to heavy of the towel just enough to provide resistance).

One of the ways to test if you are doing reverse kegels correctly is to attempt hold a reverse kegel as you are nearing PONR and as your pelvic floor starts to spasm, if the muscles override your reverse kegel hold (you will distinctly feel the override) chances are you are doing it properly.

The reason this all seems like to much work is because it is allot of work, manly constructed to properly teach you how to DO and also to condition you in order to prevent injuries.

You are free to attempt DOs in anyway you can, because the risk you undertake is always your own whether you use this guide or not.

At the end of the day I was attempting DOs when I wasn't fully conditioned (not by the standards of this guide anyway) after about a month of me registering and trying out many different kinds of kegels and reverse kegels (in order to make what will later be a master list, and from that a pelvic floor routine) and to see how those exercises affected me and my premature ejaculation. In many ways I was lucky because the night before I had soft-wave orgasms which opened my mind to much more possibilities and gave me an enormous confidence boost, and the DO technique just clicked with me (it came naturally). For many this doesn't happen that way so a more structured way is needed.

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You can't just flex, you need to clench and hold the muscles involved (kegel hold) in such way that the strength of the hold wont waver for at least 15 seconds. If you miss the timing or if you don't have sufficient strength you will end up having a bad DO which manifests itself trough retrograde ejaculation, which can potentially injure you and you will lose your erection just as you have ejaculated normally.

To answer your question more directly, full isolation isn't necessary your aim should be to able to hold the muscles for an extended amount of time with sufficient strength and sufficient consistency. The best way to determine what muscles should you engage is to do a towel raise and see the muscles that activate in effort to lift the towel (don't use a to heavy of the towel just enough to provide resistance).

One of the ways to test if you are doing reverse kegels correctly is to attempt hold a reverse kegel as you are nearing PONR and as your pelvic floor starts to spasm, if the muscles override your reverse kegel hold (you will distinctly feel the override) chances are you are doing it properly.

The reason this all seems like to much work is because it is allot of work, manly constructed to properly teach you how to DO and also to condition you in order to prevent injuries.

You are free to attempt DOs in anyway you can, because the risk you undertake is always your own whether you use this guide or not.

At the end of the day I was attempting DOs when I wasn't fully conditioned (not by the standards of this guide anyway) after about a month of me registering and trying out many different kinds of kegels and reverse kegels (in order to make what will later be a master list, and from that a pelvic floor routine) and to see how those exercises affected me and my premature ejaculation. In many ways I was lucky because the night before I had soft-wave orgasms which opened my mind to much more possibilities and gave me an enormous confidence boost, and the DO technique just clicked with me (it came naturally). For many this doesn't happen that way so a more structured way is needed.

Thanks for your conclusive response! I didn't just flex the pelvic floor I also held it for a long while until I felt a little bot of pain or I knew my muscle were being strained...but only recently I was able to flex it properly...meaning feeling my testicles being pulled and so on and being able to flex the front side of my muscles. Also I tried fighting the spasm before orgasms before prior to knowing about reverse kagel it's like you're trying to push...defecate or piss and I could feel the override...is it a problem to not be able to push or reverse kagel without flexing your lower adbomen a little bit?

I also tried to DO alone with no instruction and I was succeeding at first but then I realised my muscles weren't strong enough.

I also know the difference between the spasm described in this guide and I was attempting DO right without knowing it hence my problem was definitely in the strength of my muscles...thank god I tried only once and I didn't had any retrograde ejaculation

My concern here is imbalances...I would keep training the whole pelvic area and work as a hard as I can to make it strong but I hope not to make imbalances...is it a good idea to flex hold and then release all and push and then repeat?

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Thanks for your conclusive response! I didn't just flex the pelvic floor I also held it for a long while until I felt a little bot of pain or I knew my muscle were being strained...but only recently I was able to flex it properly...meaning feeling my testicles being pulled and so on and being able to flex the front side of my muscles. Also I tried fighting the spasm before orgasms before prior to knowing about reverse kagel it's like you're trying to push...defecate or piss and I could feel the override...is it a problem to not be able to push or reverse kagel without flexing your lower adbomen a little bit?

I also tried to DO alone with no instruction and I was succeeding at first but then I realised my muscles weren't strong enough.

I also know the difference between the spasm described in this guide and I was attempting DO right without knowing it hence my problem was definitely in the strength of my muscles...thank god I tried only once and I didn't had any retrograde ejaculation

My concern here is imbalances...I would keep training the whole pelvic area and work as a hard as I can to make it strong but I hope not to make imbalances...is it a good idea to flex hold and then release all and push and then repeat?

As told before, full isolation is not necessary it is normal to have at least a little lower abs engagement when doing a reverse kegel at fist.

Having any sort of pain while performing a DO is a certain indicator that many aspects are wrong and it was a very wise decision to stop there and just allow the normal ejaculation to proceed.

The pelvic floor routine described in this guide (more correctly the level 0,1,2) are tailored towards balanced pelvic floor only the level 3 puts more accent on strengthening the pelvic floor, but by the time you get to that level your pelvic floor will not be easily unbalanced.

.is it a good idea to flex hold and then release all and push and then repeat?

I am not sure I understand this part so it would be helpful if you can clarify it.

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As told before, full isolation is not necessary it is normal to have at least a little lower abs engagement when doing a reverse kegel at fist.

Having any sort of pain while performing a DO is a certain indicator that many aspects are wrong and it was a very wise decision to stop there and just allow the normal ejaculation to proceed.

The pelvic floor routine described in this guide (more correctly the level 0,1,2) are tailored towards balanced pelvic floor only the level 3 puts more accent on strengthening the pelvic floor, but by the time you get to that level your pelvic floor will not be easily unbalanced.



I am not sure I understand this part so it would be helpful if you can clarify it.

sorry for expressing myself that bad...what I mean is contract the whole pelvic floor...hold it and then release it hence pushing as in reverse kegel? at first as my understanding goes I was able to flex and train only the back part...recently I can contract the front side too. is it a good idea to keep doing this type of contractions as I feel more confortable with them?

how can I test if I have imbalances? to my understanding my PE is not provoked by involountary contraction but some spasm that occur after I start stimulating and near the point of no return I start getting those spasm...also I get similar spasm when I'm erect and the top hits my jeans and I feel extremely aroused but no ejaculation occurs. usually the precum or transparent liquid comes out with those spasms so I'm not sure how to interpret that. I've had sponteneous orgasms once or twice and one of they were caused by lack of sleep and coffee...and I the second one I went from totally flaccid to orgasming and cumming. is that sign of imbalance in the pelvic floor? however I didn't have spontaneous orgasms anymore...

thanks for your kind help

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sorry for expressing myself that bad...what I mean is contract the whole pelvic floor...hold it and then release it hence pushing as in reverse kegel? at first as my understanding goes I was able to flex and train only the back part...recently I can contract the front side too. is it a good idea to keep doing this type of contractions as I feel more confortable with them?

how can I test if I have imbalances? to my understanding my PE is not provoked by involountary contraction but some spasm that occur after I start stimulating and near the point of no return I start getting those spasm...also I get similar spasm when I'm erect and the top hits my jeans and I feel extremely aroused but no ejaculation occurs. usually the precum or transparent liquid comes out with those spasms so I'm not sure how to interpret that. I've had sponteneous orgasms once or twice and one of they were caused by lack of sleep and coffee...and I the second one I went from totally flaccid to orgasming and cumming. is that sign of imbalance in the pelvic floor? however I didn't have spontaneous orgasms anymore...

thanks for your kind help

You should do it in a way that you feel it is more comfortable for you, somewhere along the road you will more or less lose the need to do them that way.

There are several indicators that you may have pelvic floor imbalance, one of those is premature ejaculation problems caused by tightness of the pelvic floor (in other words the inability to relax the pelvic floor, involuntary kegels and other), other might be poor erection quality depending in what way is your pelvic floor imbalanced.

While it is rare for a person to have a major pelvic floor imbalance (and in that cases an actual doctors help should be sought), almost every person who suffers from premature ejaculation has some minor form of pelvic floor imbalance regardless of whether the premature ejaculation is mostly psychological or physical (for example long term anxiety can cause a tight pelvic floor over time even if the problem was at first purely psychological).

Inability to relax (tight pelvic floor) is most common and for most just the utility of techniques such as reverse kegel breathing and deep squat stretches can be very effective, other actually require kegels and reverse kegels (and to an extent root locks and reverse root locks) to balance the pelvic floor.

Either way when it comes to dry orgasms it is important not only to have a balanced pelvic floor, but also conditioned and strong pelvic floor. Conditioned refers to the fact that when the pelvic floor is used to something like a 30 second kegel hold it doesn't suffer a huge (or in ideal situation no) strain, because the pelvic floor is developed enough to be able to withstand the stress. And for unconditioned pelvic floor the stress of DO can be such that (as in your case) it can cause pain which is never a good thing.