Minuteman's Dry Orgasm Guide

[MaxGrowth Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MaxGrowth]

Thanks Minuteman for taking the time to help me out.

I really appreciate it.
Thanks for the advice in response to my questions and will implement them today. Slowly but steadily as you have suggested.

I also understand your side note refering to once i reach 20mins in a position during sex i can last considerably longer in, i should start to challenge myself by changing it up.

• Increase thrust speed,
• Try a different position,
• Increase total duration,
• Focus on more sensitive parts of the penis.
  
  Thanks once again!
  MaxGrowth

[tpns Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tpns]

Hey MM,

How r u doin my man? I guess still rocking d world

Its so gud to see ur posts here and helping all. Time to help me now

Here is my post link exactly from two months ago. https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...tml#post835471

A lot of improvement since then, those towel raises sure helped a lot and showed me exactly which muscles u want us to observer for. Loved towel raises since then.

Now I am stuck in same situation though. Its partial DO for sure. Just a small part of the ejaculation comes by. I feel partial energetic and partial negative. Can get my penis partial or sometimes full erect afterwards.

I think its the timing issue this time but still a little confused if that is the reason coz I know exactly wen to hold it and can do it pretty right. Quite confident in my strength too. Any tips for me apart frm wat d guide says? I do know abt first spasm kegel and can recognise it pretty well.

I take DO shots once or twice a week so its really hard to keep patience but I guess that will pay off pretty gud soon. I can feel it tht I am almost there but something is missing or anything. Such a frustrating feeling it is loool wen u know u r almost there

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Hey MM,

How r u doin my man? I guess still rocking d world

Its so gud to see ur posts here and helping all. Time to help me now

Here is my post link exactly from two months ago. https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...tml#post835471

A lot of improvement since then, those towel raises sure helped a lot and showed me exactly which muscles u want us to observer for. Loved towel raises since then.

Now I am stuck in same situation though. Its partial DO for sure. Just a small part of the ejaculation comes by. I feel partial energetic and partial negative. Can get my penis partial or sometimes full erect afterwards.

I think its the timing issue this time but still a little confused if that is the reason coz I know exactly wen to hold it and can do it pretty right. Quite confident in my strength too. Any tips for me apart frm wat d guide says? I do know abt first spasm kegel and can recognise it pretty well.

I take DO shots once or twice a week so its really hard to keep patience but I guess that will pay off pretty gud soon. I can feel it tht I am almost there but something is missing or anything. Such a frustrating feeling it is loool wen u know u r almost there

The only thing i can say is that you are on the right road, now it is a matter of time where everything snaps into place.

I would like to make this guide even better but as you can see the DO and MMO in general is a very complex area, in some way as complex as fixing premature ejaculation. Every person is just a little bit different so that things simply don't affect them the same way so the only way to write a good guide is to be as general as I can and deal with person to person problems this way, and sometimes, like in your case, there is almost nothing I can do to help further.

[tpns Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tpns]

Words of wisdom!! So appropriate and so true.

Thank you! Will keep practicing then

[Vociferous Member Find all posts View Profile Close Vociferous]

To Minuteman,

I have limited privacy for erect kegals. Instead of doing them twice per day, can I just double the reps in that allotted time?

I am trying to maintain kegal strength. Shall I just stick to level 2/3 routine? As a 5 second kegal hold in the level 0 or 1 will be unnecessary, because I am able to do 30 sec and 1 min kegals hold instead?

Thanks

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

To Minuteman,

I have limited privacy for erect kegals. Instead of doing them twice per day, can I just double the reps in that allotted time?

I am trying to maintain kegal strength. Shall I just stick to level 2/3 routine? As a 5 second kegal hold in the level 0 or 1 will be unnecessary, because I am able to do 30 sec and 1 min kegals hold instead?

Thanks

Don't double the reps, it is fine if you can do them only once per day.

As for the kegel holds of the previous levels I think it might be a good idea. However, other exercises that don't have their "higher level" counterpart should not be avoided. On the other hand you should use those days as a sort of a rest for your pelvic floor since you are doing lower level intensity. Experiment with it as see what works better for you.

[MaxGrowth Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MaxGrowth]

Hey minuteman,

I posted about a week ago. Post

#209

and your answer.

1. I think that you are in a good position to progress fast with your idea.
2. Since you are using during sex, it is and will be more effective, since you will not need to adjust, so keep at it.
3. It will improve but you will also fatigue faster, so it is a good idea to go slow with the routine, in other words there is no need to advance too fast, always put priority on sex rather than the routine if you can do one, the benefits of a marginally better sex outweighs those from routine and edging combined.
4. I don't think it will hinder it but it will slow it down somewhat, but again it is much better to slowly progress with a partner than fast and alone, since while you are progressing fast by yourself there is a lot of things only sex get you used to.

As a side note, in the beginning try to use position where you can last longer until you reach for example 20 minutes, at that point try to challenge yourself by varying between increasing the pace, choosing a more challenging position etc, but always try to make your end goal to last at least 20 minutes (once you reach that goal of course) in time because of varying positions etc you will be able to last even longer.

Just one question which i was looking to confirm with you.

When i had written to you, i had just introduced the P.F routine and also some yoga/pelvic floor stretches just to loosen that whole area up.
With the sex I was able to consistently reach my maximum of 5mins from Point of insertion for my goal of a week.
I have already started the second week aiming for 7mins plus but all of a sudden have dropped to below half my original maximum = 2.5mins.

I am presuming that it is because my body is slightly fatigued due to the new routines that i have put into place. And as per your number 3 answer, i should keep at it as my Pre-E might go down until it starts to become longer.
But as it is quite confidence crushing i was looking to you for some words of wisdom.


Many thanks.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Hey minuteman,

I posted about a week ago. Post and your answer.




Just one question which i was looking to confirm with you.

When i had written to you, i had just introduced the P.F routine and also some yoga/pelvic floor stretches just to loosen that whole area up.
With the sex I was able to consistently reach my maximum of 5mins from Point of insertion for my goal of a week.
I have already started the second week aiming for 7mins plus but all of a sudden have dropped to below half my original maximum = 2.5mins.

I am presuming that it is because my body is slightly fatigued due to the new routines that i have put into place. And as per your number 3 answer, i should keep at it as my Pre-E might go down until it starts to become longer.
But as it is quite confidence crushing i was looking to you for some words of wisdom.


Many thanks.

I have to admit that I rarely used strict timing in since it just adds stress to me. My point of view has always been that a second more than before is still a success, and rather than putting some time that I have to reach I focus on lasting as much as the last session and at least a little above that. And bit by bit you will advance, but no matter what there will be sessions that end up being disastrous no matter what, and that (as you will come to understand) is a part of the cure, because only when you get to the level that those sessions don't bother you as much or at all is when you can really progress when it comes to the psychological side of the problem.

And for the second observation, yet it is probably due the fatigue (and the added stress it generates, and the added stress you put on yourself) but it also might be other factors. As noted in the 3rd answer keep at it put don't advance too fast, in other words pace yourself. For example instead of doing the pelvic floor routine every day, do them every second day, don't jump to higher number reps instead go with the current number until you feel that it doesn't affect you in any way, this is all up to you since each person has reacts slightly differently when it comes to pelvic floor progression.

Just remember that continuous low effort will always be your best bet, in other words your progress will always be slow and then there will be an "eureka" moment and then it will get back to slow progress, then another moment and so on. The trick, so to speak here, is not to focus on seeking that moment but be diligent enough to keep at the continuous low effort (which actually compared to the beginning low effort is not that low in retrospect).

I apologize if I made this all to convoluted. The bottom line is that you should not give up but also that you should not press yourself to hard with advancing, because most of the times keeping the situation same from session to session is progress in itself.

Also just another practical advice, it is in may opinion, wrong to just time your performance from the point of insertion to the end, especially if you don't actually change positions and simply stop. Because that slight break sometimes even a few seconds long or changing the pose can mean a world of difference.

[tpns Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tpns]

Hey Mm

Great News, I had a good success in achieving perfect DO's yesterday night. Had quite good time alone and gave DO a shot.

It feels so good and all boost up. Just like the way you feel after having a great sex time and fully satisfied. But much better and powerful. Confidence all high. Its a feeling better experienced than described.

Thanks for all the guidance and suggestions Mm. Your guide helped me figure out a lot of things about pelvic region and how to maintain it correctly. And your support to every individual in here is very greatful of ya man.

A few things abt my experience made me realize tht there is still room for improvement in this for myself. I had 6 DO's last nyt in 2 hours span. I could have gone for more but didn't wanna push my body too far as i wanted to do it again this mrng. Which i did but only after 3 DO's I couldn't hold the 4th one much stronger and my timing got off too resulting in ejaculation. I guess that might be coz of over stressing my pelvic area. But the feel after the ejaculation was completely different and all positivity. I could have gone for another DO after d ejaculation. But wasn't sure if it was right thing to do. What do u think abt tht?

Another thing i observed was tht after every DO a pressure starts to build up of ejaculation fluid, i guess, and makes every next DO more sensitive and difficult to catch. I think that pressure is the reason why i got off time in my 4th DO today morning. Is this a natural thing or am i missing any piece of this wonderful mystery?

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Minute man,

Today, I had probably the best quality DO to date. Only a little pre-cum came out and I caught the first kegal, and I didn't stroke the cock whilst holding the kegal, until I was ready again.

I tried a second DO, but there was no Pre-cum.


I'm guessing, that little pre-cum comes out in the subsequent DOs? Because it comes out in the first one.

On the second DO, I should rely more on timing and feeling to kegal on the first invol kegal?

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Hey Mm

Great News, I had a good success in achieving perfect DO's yesterday night. Had quite good time alone and gave DO a shot.

It feels so good and all boost up. Just like the way you feel after having a great sex time and fully satisfied. But much better and powerful. Confidence all high. Its a feeling better experienced than described.

Thanks for all the guidance and suggestions Mm. Your guide helped me figure out a lot of things about pelvic region and how to maintain it correctly. And your support to every individual in here is very greatful of ya man.

A few things abt my experience made me realize tht there is still room for improvement in this for myself. I had 6 DO's last nyt in 2 hours span. I could have gone for more but didn't wanna push my body too far as i wanted to do it again this mrng. Which i did but only after 3 DO's I couldn't hold the 4th one much stronger and my timing got off too resulting in ejaculation. I guess that might be coz of over stressing my pelvic area. But the feel after the ejaculation was completely different and all positivity. I could have gone for another DO after d ejaculation. But wasn't sure if it was right thing to do. What do u think abt tht?

Another thing i observed was tht after every DO a pressure starts to build up of ejaculation fluid, i guess, and makes every next DO more sensitive and difficult to catch. I think that pressure is the reason why i got off time in my 4th DO today morning. Is this a natural thing or am i missing any piece of this wonderful mystery?

First of all congratulations on your DO achievement. As I posted before, one simply knows when the DO attempt was good, everything just feels right. And trough your writing I can see that you have achieved that.

Now as always I recommend caution, try not to go over 2 DOs per session just until your pelvic floor adapts to a new found situation, don't rush to much even though it seems so easy to do it now. Always be sure to ejaculate at the end of a session that has a DO in it, especially now in the beginning and if you for some reason lose the erection after the second DO (or even after the first, it can sometimes happen) do not force the erection back in order to ejaculate, simply ejaculate tomorrow.

The later DOs are tricky for both the reasons you noted (stress and fluids), the fluid build up makes you simply more sensitive, so it is a very good idea that when you actually feel the fluid build up that way you should simply ejaculate. Ejaculation (and the orgasm following it) after soft wave session, or chained DO (hard wave session sort of), or even just a few DOs is almost always extremely pleasurable and strong, so strong in fact that more often then not I would be weak in the knees from the strength of a full body orgasm, this itself will open you to new ways of MMO and generally enjoying ejaculation (the way it is meant to be enjoyed, as a completion of a very good session, and not simply as a goal and short lived pleasure it mostly is when premature ejaculation is involved).

One of the way you can also decrease the tension you get from the fluid build up is to go urinating, but most of the time I suggest using fluid build up as an indicator to bring the session to the end.

It is also important to give your body a proper rest and don't make DO sessions far to frequent because pleasurable they are, they still are a strain on the nervous system (even good stress is still stress), but as you learn to balance it you will be able to enjoy the positives more and avoid the negatives.

As you get proficient with DOs you will notice that you can actually continue after ejaculation more often the not, it is the bodies way of getting used to the signals as sometimes it gets confused if it was a DO or an full ejaculation. And while it feels good you should not continue, it just brings to much undue stress to the body to be worth the not so much pleasure it gives, of course if you want to surprise your partner with endurace you can do it but make sure it is just once in a long while. So rather than continuing after ejaculation even if you can just lay down and enjoy the sensations as they wash over your body.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Minute man,

Today, I had probably the best quality DO to date. Only a little pre-cum came out and I caught the first kegal, and I didn't stroke the cock whilst holding the kegal, until I was ready again.

I tried a second DO, but there was no Pre-cum.


I'm guessing, that little pre-cum comes out in the subsequent DOs? Because it comes out in the first one.

On the second DO, I should rely more on timing and feeling to kegal on the first invol kegal?

Glad to see you had good progress.

Because you are doing a strong kegel hold a little pre-cum is bound to get out (it can get out sometimes even when you just do a kegel) so that is perfectly normal.

Basically, yes. As you get more in tune with your body and get better at DOs you will need less and less to really on exact techniques and get rely more on the feeling (and instinct).

As for when the pre-cum comes, it depends on how much pre-cum you have in general and there is no set amount or set rule.

The most important this about DO and how good you did it is how you feel during and afterward, you will simply know you performed a good DO, it will simply feel right, like everything has come together, like you (and your body) figured something out.

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During my edging session the other day, I was trying out new things to see how kegels affected me close to the PONR. I was practising having better control close to the PONR, and I decided to hold a strong kegel, and stopping all stroking, like how you would go for a DO, although I was still a few strokes away from ejaculating. Strangely, even with no stimulation, the kegel caused me to start orgasming after holding it for maybe 5-10 seconds. I decided to go with it , thinking maybe it would cause a DO. However, at the end of the orgasm, I just couldn't hold the kegel any longer and I ejaculated. I think this is probably a strength issue, but is it normal for kegels to have this effect?

Another thing to note, normally when I start orgasming I involuntarily hold a strong kegel, which subsides at the end of orgasm and then ejaculation starts. The difference here was the kegel was voluntary.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

During my edging session the other day, I was trying out new things to see how kegels affected me close to the PONR. I was practising having better control close to the PONR, and I decided to hold a strong kegel, and stopping all stroking, like how you would go for a DO, although I was still a few strokes away from ejaculating. Strangely, even with no stimulation, the kegel caused me to start orgasming after holding it for maybe 5-10 seconds. I decided to go with it , thinking maybe it would cause a DO. However, at the end of the orgasm, I just couldn't hold the kegel any longer and I ejaculated. I think this is probably a strength issue, but is it normal for kegels to have this effect?

Another thing to note, normally when I start orgasming I involuntarily hold a strong kegel, which subsides at the end of orgasm and then ejaculation starts. The difference here was the kegel was voluntary.

It is mostly the fact that you are making your pelvic floor tense for extended amount of time that caused you to ejaculate, I for example can do the same thing with reverse kegel (and with regular kegel hold) also in some way when I am very close to PONR. If you think about it the same thing happens with wet dreams, and those are just clenches in my case not even holds.

As for the involuntary kegel hold, I think that might be more of a habit than a involuntary action in your case (since during orgasming I don't hold a kegel it is mostly a starting kegel spasm). Also the fact that your orgasm stops when ejaculation starts is odd to me since most of the time my orgasm lasts almost as much as the ejaculation. On the other hand maybe I am wrong since I haven't observed it from that angle.

As for the question about strength needed, it depends if you have ejaculated fully when you released then it is probably strenght, if you however had some it go into the bladder (retro ejaculation) that also might be because of the way you held your kegel (technique). Your timing seems not to be the problem since you have turned the kegel hold into the first spasm, which could be an alternative method for timing aspect.

In the other words, the method for timing that I used in the beginning for the DO was to hold the reverse kegel and then as it is overpowered by the first spasm kegel is to turn it in to the kegel hold, rather than just relaxing the reverse kegel into the neutral position (as I described it in the TIMING part of the guide). Your attempt of it was to induce the first spasm just by holding the kegel and then continue to hold it, while this version needs much more strength (or more precisely stamina) it might be viable as a good alternative for those that can't get the timing down via the method I described.

[MaxGrowth Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MaxGrowth]

I have to admit that I rarely used strict timing in since it just adds stress to me. My point of view has always been that a second more than before is still a success, and rather than putting some time that I have to reach I focus on lasting as much as the last session and at least a little above that. And bit by bit you will advance, but no matter what there will be sessions that end up being disastrous no matter what, and that (as you will come to understand) is a part of the cure, because only when you get to the level that those sessions don't bother you as much or at all is when you can really progress when it comes to the psychological side of the problem.

And for the second observation, yet it is probably due the fatigue (and the added stress it generates, and the added stress you put on yourself) but it also might be other factors. As noted in the 3rd answer keep at it put don't advance too fast, in other words pace yourself. For example instead of doing the pelvic floor routine every day, do them every second day, don't jump to higher number reps instead go with the current number until you feel that it doesn't affect you in any way, this is all up to you since each person has reacts slightly differently when it comes to pelvic floor progression.

Just remember that continuous low effort will always be your best bet, in other words your progress will always be slow and then there will be an "eureka" moment and then it will get back to slow progress, then another moment and so on. The trick, so to speak here, is not to focus on seeking that moment but be diligent enough to keep at the continuous low effort (which actually compared to the beginning low effort is not that low in retrospect).

I apologize if I made this all to convoluted. The bottom line is that you should not give up but also that you should not press yourself to hard with advancing, because most of the times keeping the situation same from session to session is progress in itself.

Also just another practical advice, it is in may opinion, wrong to just time your performance from the point of insertion to the end, especially if you don't actually change positions and simply stop. Because that slight break sometimes even a few seconds long or changing the pose can mean a world of difference.

No it wasn't convoluted at all. I appreciate the time it took to write and there are some pointers in there i will need to change in my routine.
My biggest issue was just making sure i was on the right path to beating Pre-E to becoming MMO, however slow it may be.
As long as this website is available and people like you who have beat PRe-E are available to advise beginners like myself it is a fantastic thing.
I was just confirming i was covering all basis ( Physical, Physcological ) in a progressive positive way for my specific situation (as in my first msg ).

Thanks Heaps once again!