Minuteman's Dry Orgasm Guide

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sorry mate, i wrote this without reading what u replied with earlier, thanks for that

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Hi, I've been doing 15second holds with 3seconds pauses for each hold. Doing kegel, reverse kegel, root lock and reverse root lock for 6months 5days a week. I do however prioritize reverse kegel over kegel 70/30. Can anyone comment on this routine, do i need to add something/change it up from time to time? I've seen great results but just want some feedback.

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Hi, I've been doing 15second holds with 3seconds pauses for each hold. Doing kegel, reverse kegel, root lock and reverse root lock for 6months 5days a week. I do however prioritize reverse kegel over kegel 70/30. Can anyone comment on this routine, do i need to add something/change it up from time to time? I've seen great results but just want some feedback.

The best recommendation for pelvic floor routine is "if it isn't broke don't fix it". So if you are noticing progress with your routine simply keep at it, and change it only if you feel that it actually slows your progress down.

I can only suggest that you slowly move towards 50/50 in minimal increments.

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Hi
Sometimes if I kegel hold slightly before PONR and don't have a noticeable DO, I have semen in my urine afterwards but it doesn't feel like a full blown retrograde? What's happening here?

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Hi
Sometimes if I kegel hold slightly before PONR and don't have a noticeable DO, I have semen in my urine afterwards but it doesn't feel like a full blown retrograde? What's happening here?

It might be that you have an incomplete hold (or not a strong enough hold, but it is usually the first) that didn't stop the spasms when it should, usually with the towel raises you should be able to learn the correct way to do a kegel hold when DOing. See the section named "Technique".

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So MM you suspect a partial retrograde?

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Hi Minuteman,

Thanks again for this guide - I'm up to Sublevel 1.5 this week and loving it so far. However, I have some questions:

1) Does it matter in what position you do the exercises? I also do them sitting down as that way I can do them on the bus / train, or at work on breaks etc. Looking forward, I see this is going to have to change when it comes to erect exercises haha

2) Sublevel 1.4 questions:

- Is there a reason why there is a sine back hold, but not a sine reverse back hold (doing the reverse root lock into the root lock instead of the other way around)

- With both the bunker hold and flush hold, does it matter which order you do them in? i.e. I've been doing the kegel and reverse kegel first all the time. Should I mix this up and sometimes do the bunker hold with the root lock first instead and sometimes do the flush hold with the reverse root lock first instead?

3) Sublevel 1.5 question. I'm starting this this week, and it looks like at the optimal level, it is going to take about an hour to do this routine! Doing that twice a day for the last few days of the week means 2 hours on this per day. Is that correct??? That seems like a huge amount of time to spend on this. As it is already, the sublevel 1.4 is taking me nearly 30 minutes per session, so nearly an hour a day in total.

4) Sublevel 2.2 question. The program here doesn't seem to match the description underneath - Is the third exercise meant to be a tri-step root lock hold? The description seems to suggest this (as does the symmetry of the program), but it says tri-step kegel hold instead.

5) Erect exercises - With doing these twice per day, does that mean you need to bring yourself to the PONR multiple times per day? I'm fairly certain it does, I'm just trying to figure out how I am going to find time for this - won't be able to do it on the bus anymore!

Thanks mate

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Hi Minuteman,

Thanks again for this guide - I'm up to Sublevel 1.5 this week and loving it so far. However, I have some questions:

1) Does it matter in what position you do the exercises? I also do them sitting down as that way I can do them on the bus / train, or at work on breaks etc. Looking forward, I see this is going to have to change when it comes to erect exercises haha

In general no, but it is a good idea to first do them with you are at home where it is mostly silent so that you can fully focus on the execution of the exercises until you learn to do them right, once you can do them it matters little where you do them as long as you do them right.

2) Sublevel 1.4 questions:

- Is there a reason why there is a sine back hold, but not a sine reverse back hold (doing the reverse root lock into the root lock instead of the other way around)

- With both the bunker hold and flush hold, does it matter which order you do them in? i.e. I've been doing the kegel and reverse kegel first all the time. Should I mix this up and sometimes do the bunker hold with the root lock first instead and sometimes do the flush hold with the reverse root lock first instead?

While not som much as reason, goo practice when doing kegels is to do reverse kegels afterwards in order to relax those muscles, some do them before some do them after. I think it is a better idea to do them after so that in a way you are used to the fact that relaxed should be your normal position and not tensed.

3) Sublevel 1.5 question. I'm starting this this week, and it looks like at the optimal level, it is going to take about an hour to do this routine! Doing that twice a day for the last few days of the week means 2 hours on this per day. Is that correct??? That seems like a huge amount of time to spend on this. As it is already, the sublevel 1.4 is taking me nearly 30 minutes per session, so nearly an hour a day in total.

It would be close to half an hour I think, you should use your own judgement and in sense decrease some of the exercises if you want, for example you might chose to do 50 instead of 100 clenches since you are doing quality holds after that, also as you get better you will be able to do them with much less problem and much faster (but not speedy, if you get my meaning, in other words don't rush).

As for the level 1.4, that sublevel is hard since it is the last "new" exercise set for that level, it isn't strange to take more than a week (or two) to preform them optimally.

4) Sublevel 2.2 question. The program here doesn't seem to match the description underneath - Is the third exercise meant to be a tri-step root lock hold? The description seems to suggest this (as does the symmetry of the program), but it says tri-step kegel hold instead.

Yes you are correct, that was a copy/paste error. Thank you for pointing this out, will correct it.

5) Erect exercises - With doing these twice per day, does that mean you need to bring yourself to the PONR multiple times per day? I'm fairly certain it does, I'm just trying to figure out how I am going to find time for this - won't be able to do it on the bus anymore!

Thanks mate

Erect exercises you only need to make your self erect, not near PONR just errect. If you do them near PONR it might be too much intensity on your muscles. If you find it problematic you could try to do a erect variation only once a day, while doing the flaccid version the other time.


Also a general note is that as you climb in sublevels you can have more and more leeway, more freedom to modify it to your needs, of course you should not stray too much, but your own pelvic floor and the experience you have gained will tell you what you should and should not do.

The problem is that creating a routine is hard and even though I have used it to some extent (but not by the book since i had to create it from something) because I need feedback in order to work on optimizing it more, so in that light your questions and feedback helps me to grately imporve the routine. That is why it is rare to see a pelvic floor routine outlined with much detail out there.

When I get the time I plan to go over the routine once again by myself and tweak it to become even better. For example on thing that comes to mind is that sub level 1.1 might have to much reps and that I should lower the number, also some tweaking (or even major reforming) in later levels is a definite.

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Thanks mate. Just a few clarifications as per below:

In general no, but it is a good idea to first do them with you are at home where it is mostly silent so that you can fully focus on the execution of the exercises until you learn to do them right, once you can do them it matters little where you do them as long as you do them right.

I meant more the position you do them (seated, lying down, standing etc), rather than the location.

I've been doing them exclusively sitting down - can this lead to any issues?

It would be close to half an hour I think, you should use your own judgement and in sense decrease some of the exercises if you want, for example you might chose to do 50 instead of 100 clenches since you are doing quality holds after that, also as you get better you will be able to do them with much less problem and much faster (but not speedy, if you get my meaning, in other words don't rush).

As for the level 1.4, that sublevel is hard since it is the last "new" exercise set for that level, it isn't strange to take more than a week (or two) to preform them optimally.

Just to clarify, it is not a problem in terms of actually completing the exercises twice per day, it is just REALLY long!

You can't really speed this one up. For example, a 5 second sine hold will take 30 seconds to complete 1 rep. To do 10 reps, plus a few seconds rest inbetween will take about 5.5 minutes. That is only ONE exercise in sublevel 1.4 - the whole sublevel 1.4 takes about 25 minutes to do all the holds. As the rest of sublevel 1 is mostly holds as well, you can't speed that stuff up either.

So the only way I can see to make this shorter is to reduce the number of holds, or reduce the length of the holds

What do you think?

Or should I just do the full one hour twice per day? This just seems excessive - I don't want to overwork the area.

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Thanks mate. Just a few clarifications as per below:



I meant more the position you do them (seated, lying down, standing etc), rather than the location.

I've been doing them exclusively sitting down - can this lead to any issues?



Just to clarify, it is not a problem in terms of actually completing the exercises twice per day, it is just REALLY long!

You can't really speed this one up. For example, a 5 second sine hold will take 30 seconds to complete 1 rep. To do 10 reps, plus a few seconds rest inbetween will take about 5.5 minutes. That is only ONE exercise in sublevel 1.4 - the whole sublevel 1.4 takes about 25 minutes to do all the holds. As the rest of sublevel 1 is mostly holds as well, you can't speed that stuff up either.

So the only way I can see to make this shorter is to reduce the number of holds, or reduce the length of the holds

What do you think?

Or should I just do the full one hour twice per day? This just seems excessive - I don't want to overwork the area.

I meant the positions, I just noted that at first it should be done at home rather than on the road to work, mostly because people tend to do them like that.

You should experiment with different positions just so that you can see if you can execute the exercises with little problems, other than that your default favorite position should be fine.

I don't think you will overwork the area since the idea is that you reach the optimal phase over time, and not just straight go to the optimal. So if you can for example for two days preform optimally with no problem then you can go to the next level. How you do them later on is more or less up to you, so it is sort of a benchmark.

I will definatelly further optimize his routine. Also as you do the exercises feel free to post your feedback on what you think it might be excessive and such after you have preformed optimally the exercises, with the feedback of others and with me revisiting this again it will has potential to become even better. I will probably restructure the .5 sublevels in order to be more optimized by combinig the other sublevels of the level more optimally.

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I meant the positions, I just noted that at first it should be done at home rather than on the road to work, mostly because people tend to do them like that.

You should experiment with different positions just so that you can see if you can execute the exercises with little problems, other than that your default favorite position should be fine.

I don't think you will overwork the area since the idea is that you reach the optimal phase over time, and not just straight go to the optimal. So if you can for example for two days preform optimally with no problem then you can go to the next level. How you do them later on is more or less up to you, so it is sort of a benchmark.

I will definatelly further optimize his routine. Also as you do the exercises feel free to post your feedback on what you think it might be excessive and such after you have preformed optimally the exercises, with the feedback of others and with me revisiting this again it will has potential to become even better. I will probably restructure the .5 sublevels in order to be more optimized by combinig the other sublevels of the level more optimally.

No worries, thanks for that.

My only feedback so far is that the 1.5 sublevel is far too long. It will take 55 minutes minimum to complete, realistically one hour, at the optimum. Doing this twice per day is going to be interesting (I'll report back at the end of the week!).

I'm not sure if there is a workaround to this, but I might reduce some of the reps and try to focus on quality over quantity.

In any case, I can definitely report that isolation and stability have improved immensely. I can't wait to put it all into practice. It's a shame I'm single at the moment

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No worries, thanks for that.

My only feedback so far is that the 1.5 sublevel is far too long. It will take 55 minutes minimum to complete, realistically one hour, at the optimum. Doing this twice per day is going to be interesting (I'll report back at the end of the week!).

I'm not sure if there is a workaround to this, but I might reduce some of the reps and try to focus on quality over quantity.

In any case, I can definitely report that isolation and stability have improved immensely. I can't wait to put it all into practice. It's a shame I'm single at the moment

I am glad to hear the imporve on isolation and stability, when you have the time or knowledge (or both) please point out which where the most important exercises that contributed to the various imporvements you experience if you can point them out. While I know what works for me I am yet not sure how it works for other people.

Unfortunately, how you decrease the reps etc is up to you, it is going to be some time until I can think of a shorter more compact exercise that benefit simmilar to that one.

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It might be that you have an incomplete hold (or not a strong enough hold, but it is usually the first) that didn't stop the spasms when it should, usually with the towel raises you should be able to learn the correct way to do a kegel hold when DOing. See the section named "Technique".

Thanks. I take it incomplete means not long enough. I noticed it really helps to be very relaxed in body and mind when attempting the kegel hold, it makes it much easier.

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Thanks. I take it incomplete means not long enough. I noticed it really helps to be very relaxed in body and mind when attempting the kegel hold, it makes it much easier.

No incomplete means that you are not covering the whole area that you should cover. Get errect and perform a towel raise you will notice that the way you preforam a kegel hold to raise that towel with your penis is different then your regular hold, it feels much more complete.

Duration can be a problem but usually with a strong and complete enough kegel hold duration of the hold becomes less and less important.

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Hi minuteman, another question about dry orgasms...

So I know I'm not at the point where I should be trying it, but thought I'd give it a crack seeing as I'm starting erect kegels next week and my kegel strength has improved immensely.

Now I found that when I kegelled hard, I could still feel the semen moving up my shaft, but I was simply holding it in - i suspect this would lead to a retrograde ejac, is that correct? Consequently I released it, as I'm fairly certain I had already cum, I just kegelled at the wrong time.

Does that sound about right?

I'm not going to try again for a while, just wanted to see how I was travelling