Minuteman's Dry Orgasm Guide

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BTA, preforming DO once in awhile when you feel confident in your progress is not a problem, since you kinda passed the point where you could be considered a beginner.

Also your assumption is correct, you have kegeled at the wrong time and from what you have described at least you have kegeled correctly. Depending on the quality (technique) of your kegel hold you might end up with either partial ejaculation or retro ejaculation, partial isn't as bad as retro but it is still considered a bad DO but a step in the right direction.

The point is that if you shut down the spasms then there is nothing to force your sperm up your bladder so that the sperm simply remains where it is. But since most beginners don't understand that a kegel hold can be preformed differently depending on your technique they usually end up having a retrograde ejaculation even though they thing they preformed a kegel hold in a good way.

The point of this guide in a sense is to develop a kegel hold technique that with sufficient strength and timing can completely shut down ejaculation spasms after the first one. Usually it happens that on your first spasm you preform a kegel hold and your second spasm is almost non existant (like a pulse) and by the third the spasms stop completely. Most of the time if you are at the second spasm and the third one appears your will either end up with partial or retro ejaculation.

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Thanks minuteman.

Just to clarify, I release the kegel under these circumstances as I can feel that the semen has already left the bladder and don't want to have a retro (which I'm pretty sure is what would happen if I held the kegel longer).

Also, could you please clarify a few questions with regards to what you mean by this:

The point is that if you shut down the spasms then there is nothing to force your sperm up your bladder so that the sperm simply remains where it is. But since most beginners don't understand that a kegel hold can be preformed differently depending on your technique they usually end up having a retrograde ejaculation even though they thing they preformed a kegel hold in a good way.

1) By shutting down the spasms, do you mean performing a strong kegel hold at the right time?

2) What do you mean by a kegel hold can be performed differently depending on technique?

3) What do you mean they can have a retro despite performing the kegel in a good way? Do you mean if you mess up the timing and perform the correct hold but at the wrong time?

I can't wait til I can do this. Hopefully, I'll have perfected the technique in 2-3 months.

I'm still struggling with a couple of things though. Root lock strength and stamina are extremely good (turns out I've been clenching it all the time both during sex and masturbation). Kegel strength and stamina are not as good however. Definitely improving, but sometimes it is hard to tell if I am still holding the kegel or not.

And sometimes if I am kegelling naked (to see if it is 'working'), I'll notice my penis move as I clench, but then slowly move back, despite me still holding the kegel. This leads me to think that I am not holding (or maintaining the kegel strength) as well as I think I am.

I'm also finding it very hard to isolate the kegel and root lock when clenching very hard (I'm doing the tri-step holds at the moment). What I mean by this is that I end up clenching my abs tightly for the last 5 seconds of a tri-step kegel and I clench my hold arse tightly for the last 5 seconds of the tri-step root lock. I'm not sure if this can be avoided when you are clenching so tight however.

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Thanks minuteman.

Just to clarify, I release the kegel under these circumstances as I can feel that the semen has already left the bladder and don't want to have a retro (which I'm pretty sure is what would happen if I held the kegel longer).

Also, could you please clarify a few questions with regards to what you mean by this:

The point is that if you shut down the spasms then there is nothing to force your sperm up your bladder so that the sperm simply remains where it is. But since most beginners don't understand that a kegel hold can be preformed differently depending on your technique they usually end up having a retrograde ejaculation even though they thing they preformed a kegel hold in a good way.

1) By shutting down the spasms, do you mean performing a strong kegel hold at the right time?

2) What do you mean by a kegel hold can be performed differently depending on technique?

3) What do you mean they can have a retro despite performing the kegel in a good way? Do you mean if you mess up the timing and perform the correct hold but at the wrong time?

1) Yes

2) Read PART III - Technique

3) Typo, instead of "thing" it should have been "think" as in "they THINK they performed a kegel hold in a good way". Just because one thinks that he performed a kegel hold in a good way doesn't mean that he actually did perform a kegel hold in a good way. For a good way see 2)

I can't wait til I can do this. Hopefully, I'll have perfected the technique in 2-3 months.

I'm still struggling with a couple of things though. Root lock strength and stamina are extremely good (turns out I've been clenching it all the time both during sex and masturbation). Kegel strength and stamina are not as good however. Definitely improving, but sometimes it is hard to tell if I am still holding the kegel or not.

And sometimes if I am kegelling naked (to see if it is 'working'), I'll notice my penis move as I clench, but then slowly move back, despite me still holding the kegel. This leads me to think that I am not holding (or maintaining the kegel strength) as well as I think I am.

I'm also finding it very hard to isolate the kegel and root lock when clenching very hard (I'm doing the tri-step holds at the moment). What I mean by this is that I end up clenching my abs tightly for the last 5 seconds of a tri-step kegel and I clench my hold arse tightly for the last 5 seconds of the tri-step root lock. I'm not sure if this can be avoided when you are clenching so tight however.

It is normal for the penis to "move as I clench, but then slowly move back, despite me still holding the kegel." when doing longer kegel holds while not fully erected.

In time you will be able to isolate kegel and root lock better, if you are having too much trouble either revisit level 0 or check out the kegel master list and consult the isolation exercises there.

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Minuteman,

I know breathing is of major importance with the pelvic floor routine, I was just wondering there's a specific point at which we should be exhaling or inhaling? For example, as I flex a reverse kegel, should I be inhaling or exhaling at that point? Or is the placement of the inhale/exhale irrelevant as long as I take deep slow breaths.

Also, I'm in tension so I'm leaving out the regular kegels/root locks. Should I be subbing anything in for those particular exercises? I'm on Level 0 at this point.

One more thing, it says to hold for a second, but in your 'From PE to MMO' thread it says to hold for 10 seconds in the exercises. What should I be doing at this point? I held for probably a little over a second today on each flex so the routine took probably around a minute. I just want to make sure I'm getting the most out of this and doing it correctly.

As always, a giant thank you.

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Minuteman,

I know breathing is of major importance with the pelvic floor routine, I was just wondering there's a specific point at which we should be exhaling or inhaling? For example, as I flex a reverse kegel, should I be inhaling or exhaling at that point? Or is the placement of the inhale/exhale irrelevant as long as I take deep slow breaths.

Also, I'm in tension so I'm leaving out the regular kegels/root locks. Should I be subbing anything in for those particular exercises? I'm on Level 0 at this point.

One more thing, it says to hold for a second, but in your 'From PE to MMO' thread it says to hold for 10 seconds in the exercises. What should I be doing at this point? I held for probably a little over a second today on each flex so the routine took probably around a minute. I just want to make sure I'm getting the most out of this and doing it correctly.

As always, a giant thank you.

Generally it is irrelevant in time you will simply develop your own rhythm that you find relaxing, simply try out different timings etc.

Leaving out parts of the exercises will not guarantee that the pelvic floor routine will work, especially since level 0 is focused on flexibility and isolation so it is not a good idea to simply exclude it.

Level 0 consists of kegel flexes or more specifically kegel clenches that are not holds therefore you don't need to hold it for 10 seconds.

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Generally it is irrelevant in time you will simply develop your own rhythm that you find relaxing, simply try out different timings etc.

Leaving out parts of the exercises will not guarantee that the pelvic floor routine will work, especially since level 0 is focused on flexibility and isolation so it is not a good idea to simply exclude it.

Level 0 consists of kegel flexes or more specifically kegel clenches that are not holds therefore you don't need to hold it for 10 seconds.

Even though I am in tension, you recommend doing regular kegels and root locks?

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Even though I am in tension, you recommend doing regular kegels and root locks?

I am not sure what you mean by tension. If it is what I think it is (overwork etc) not doing pelvic floor exercises at all and then at the later time doing it completely is the best course of action, you will gain little if you do "half" of the exercises, but that is up to you. Trying do pass a level by doing just the part of the exercises while waiting for you to recover then jumping strait to the level 1 is not a good idea.

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I am not sure what you mean by tension. If it is what I think it is (overwork etc) not doing pelvic floor exercises at all and then at the later time doing it completely is the best course of action, you will gain little if you do "half" of the exercises, but that is up to you. Trying do pass a level by doing just the part of the exercises while waiting for you to recover then jumping strait to the level 1 is not a good idea.

When I say I'm in tension I'm referring to certain muscles (I can't remember which) being much stronger than the others. After reading the forum it generally seems that people with PE are more in tension and not relaxed, while people with DE are too relaxed and not in tension. I realize the goal is to become balanced but for now I wanted to focus on the exercises that would benefit me the most instead of potentially making it worse. Does that make any sense? If I'm not clear I can try and explain it further. As always, Thanks Minuteman.

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Minuteman, Can I still continue my stretching exercises while doing this? I do a 5 day on 2 day off routine. I Usually do a Kegel and Reverse Kegel exercise before i warm up and Stretch anyway. The stretching isnt a crazy amount either.

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Minuteman, Can I still continue my stretching exercises while doing this? I do a 5 day on 2 day off routine. I Usually do a Kegel and Reverse Kegel exercise before i warm up and Stretch anyway. The stretching isnt a crazy amount either.

I see no problem with that just observer your PI if you see/feel that something is not right then discontinue the stretching.

When I say I'm in tension I'm referring to certain muscles (I can't remember which) being much stronger than the others. After reading the forum it generally seems that people with PE are more in tension and not relaxed, while people with DE are too relaxed and not in tension. I realize the goal is to become balanced but for now I wanted to focus on the exercises that would benefit me the most instead of potentially making it worse. Does that make any sense? If I'm not clear I can try and explain it further. As always, Thanks Minuteman.

The term tension is ill used here I think. Anyway since now I understand the point the answer is the same. Exercises should be done in full, while the ratio or kegels, reverse kegels, root locks and reverse root locks is more or less up to you, however I do advise it to be equal ratio.

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Hey Minuteman, just wanna say thanks SO much for this routine. Super in depth, tons of information. The way the routine is structured is really helping me stay with it.

So anyways, I have a few questions about level 1.4. Why we do front and reverse sine front holds, but only back sine holds (no reverse sine back holds)? Not that I want this routine to be any longer haha. And also you mentioned to first increase to two times a day, and then increase the seconds. That's the first time you mentioned doing it this way. Any reason for this change?

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Hey Minuteman, just wanna say thanks SO much for this routine. Super in depth, tons of information. The way the routine is structured is really helping me stay with it.

So anyways, I have a few questions about level 1.4. Why we do front and reverse sine front holds, but only back sine holds (no reverse sine back holds)? Not that I want this routine to be any longer haha. And also you mentioned to first increase to two times a day, and then increase the seconds. That's the first time you mentioned doing it this way. Any reason for this change?

Because generally there is no need for them. Root lock and reverse root locks in the end are not as important as kegel and reverse kegel in every aspect.

As for the increase, I found that is easier to do it like that because those are more taxing and it might be a better way, but if you find that you are fine with first increasing seconds and then times then there is no problem.

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Because generally there is no need for them. Root lock and reverse root locks in the end are not as important as kegel and reverse kegel in every aspect.

As for the increase, I found that is easier to do it like that because those are more taxing and it might be a better way, but if you find that you are fine with first increasing seconds and then times then there is no problem.

Okay, thanks for the response. I don't find these one's very difficult, so I'm increasing the seconds then the times.

I feel like my kegel strength, endurance, and isolation have all improved A LOT since I started. I haven't had a lady friend to see if I've progressed, but hopefully I've at least gone from a 2pumpchump to a Minuteman. heheh.

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Okay, thanks for the response. I don't find these one's very difficult, so I'm increasing the seconds then the times.

I feel like my kegel strength, endurance, and isolation have all improved A LOT since I started. I haven't had a lady friend to see if I've progressed, but hopefully I've at least gone from a 2pumpchump to a Minuteman. heheh.

I am glad to hear that, I also look forward to the (hopefully good) news when you find a lady friend.