Minuteman's Dry Orgasm Guide

[sameel Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sameel]

Hi Minuteman
I have been doing an rk only routine for more than 7 months or so to achieve the pelvic floor balance. One exercise was to push a front rk and then transition it into a regular kegel. So front rk and regular kegel pushed at the same time ... yesterday I found that the same works to hold a clean DO, and it is much easier than using a regular kegel. Today again experienced 2 successful DO's using the same technique, feeling quite good with it.

Is it ok to use this technique and persue it further? Just need your good advice.

Note: Since more than two weeks, I have focused on doing regular kegels, and few times have experienced DO, but I fail often trying this.

[megusto Member Find all posts View Profile Close megusto]

sorry to ask again but im confused about something
Week 6 - Level 1 start - Do sublevel 1.1 From now on on the first day of every week you will do optimal sublevel 0.5 exercises for the duration of all Level 1 sublevels
im not sure what you mean about doing the 0.5 subleves for the duration of all level 1 sublevels

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

sorry to ask again but im confused about something
Week 6 - Level 1 start - Do sublevel 1.1 From now on on the first day of every week you will do optimal sublevel 0.5 exercises for the duration of all Level 1 sublevels
im not sure what you mean about doing the 0.5 subleves for the duration of all level 1 sublevels

No problem, pelvic floor routine wont do good to anyone if people can't undestand it.


Week 6 - Level 1 - Sublevel 1.1
Week 6 - Level 1 - Monday - Do 0.5 sublevel
Week 6 - Level 1 - Tuesday - Do 1.1 sublevel
Week 6 - Level 1 - Wednesday - Do 1.1 sublevel
Week 6 - Level 1 - Thursday - Do 1.1 sublevel
Week 6 - Level 1 - Friday - Do 1.1 sublevel
Week 6 - Level 1 - Saturday - Do 1.1 sublevel
Week 6 - Level 1 - Sunday - Do 1.1 sublevel

Week 7 - Level 1 - Sublevel 1.2
Week 7 - Level 1 - Monday - Do 0.5 sublevel
Week 7 - Level 1 - Tuesday - Do 1.2 sublevel
Week 7 - Level 1 - Wednesday - Do 1.2 sublevel
Week 7 - Level 1 - Thursday - Do 1.2 sublevel
Week 7 - Level 1 - Friday - Do 1.2 sublevel
Week 7 - Level 1 - Saturday - Do 1.2 sublevel
Week 7 - Level 1 - Sunday - Do 1.2 sublevel


Week 8 - Level 1 - Sublevel 1.3
Week 8 - Level 1 - Monday - Do 0.5 sublevel
Week 8 - Level 1 - Tuesday - Do 1.3 sublevel
Week 8 - Level 1 - Wednesday - Do 1.3 sublevel
Week 8 - Level 1 - Thursday - Do 1.3 sublevel
Week 8 - Level 1 - Friday - Do 1.3 sublevel
Week 8 - Level 1 - Saturday - Do 1.3 sublevel
Week 8 - Level 1 - Sunday - Do 1.3 sublevel

Week 9 - Level 1 - Sublevel 1.4
Week 9 - Level 1 - Monday - Do 0.5 sublevel
Week 9 - Level 1 - Tuesday - Do 1.4 sublevel
Week 9 - Level 1 - Wednesday - Do 1.4 sublevel
Week 9 - Level 1 - Thursday - Do 1.4 sublevel
Week 9 - Level 1 - Friday - Do 1.4 sublevel
Week 9 - Level 1 - Saturday - Do 1.4 sublevel
Week 9 - Level 1 - Sunday - Do 1.4 sublevel

Week 10 - Level 1 - Sublevel 1.5
Week 10 - Level 1 - Monday - Do 0.5 sublevel
Week 10 - Level 1 - Tuesday - Do 1.5 sublevel
Week 10 - Level 1 - Wednesday - Do 1.5 sublevel
Week 10 - Level 1 - Thursday - Do 1.5 sublevel
Week 10 - Level 1 - Friday - Do 1.5 sublevel
Week 10 - Level 1 - Saturday - Do 1.5 sublevel
Week 10 - Level 1 - Sunday - Do 1.5 sublevel

Week 11 - Level 2 - Sublevel 2.1
Week 11 - Level 2 - Monday - Do 0.5 sublevel
Week 11 - Level 2 - Tuesday - Do 1.5 sublevel
Week 11 - Level 2 - Wednesday - Do 2.1 sublevel
Week 11 - Level 2 - Thursday - Do 2.1 sublevel
Week 11 - Level 2 - Friday - Do 2.1 sublevel
Week 11 - Level 2 - Saturday - Do 2.1 sublevel
Week 11 - Level 2 - Sunday - Do 2.1 sublevel


Now lets say that you find that you need more time for Week 9 in order to do sublevel 1.4 optimal (so to do it two times a day), if you start the next week you have to do 0.5 sublevel exercies.

Lets say you get sore so you want to stop for a while, then when you start first day you should do 0.5 exercises.

Notice that on Week 11, since you are on level 2 you need to do 0.5 AND 1.5.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Hi Minuteman
I have been doing an rk only routine for more than 7 months or so to achieve the pelvic floor balance. One exercise was to push a front rk and then transition it into a regular kegel. So front rk and regular kegel pushed at the same time ... yesterday I found that the same works to hold a clean DO, and it is much easier than using a regular kegel. Today again experienced 2 successful DO's using the same technique, feeling quite good with it.

Is it ok to use this technique and persue it further? Just need your good advice.

Note: Since more than two weeks, I have focused on doing regular kegels, and few times have experienced DO, but I fail often trying this.

Pushing out a holding a front kegel and transitioning into a kegel hold is what I have been using as a guide to get the timing down. How ever i don't understand this:

So front rk and regular kegel pushed at the same time

How can you do two oposing movements at the same time. How can you do a kegel and reverse kegel at the same time?

If you can please describe this in more detail.

[megusto Member Find all posts View Profile Close megusto]

ok i get that now
but whats this 2 times a day thing?

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

ok i get that now
but whats this 2 times a day thing?

In order to progress to a next sublevel you should be able to do the exercise two times a day.

So lets say you have to do sublevel 0.1 optimaly:

(10-20) kegel flexes

(10-20) reverse kegel flexes

(10-20) root lock flexes

(10-20) reverse root lock flexes

That would mean that over the week you first progress from 10 of each to 20 of each, then after you are able to do 20 of each you start doing them two times a day. Once you are conforitable of doing 20 of each two times a day you can go to sublevel 0.2 etc.

In that light 0.5 sublevel is a true benchmark for level 0. Since you have to do 0.1, 0.2, 0.3, 0.4. As with sublevel 0.1, first you start of with once a day with 0.5, and progress to 2 per day, until you can finaly move to the next level, level 1.

[megusto Member Find all posts View Profile Close megusto]

awesome, thanks for clarifying that

[sameel Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sameel]

Pushing out a holding a front kegel and transitioning into a kegel hold is what I have been using as a guide to get the timing down. How ever i don't understand this:

[/B]How can you do two oposing movements at the same time. How can you do a kegel and reverse kegel at the same time?

If you can please describe this in more detail.

Here is how I do:
1. Push a front rk by tightening lower muscles of stomach and pushing these toward penis.
2. Now without relaxing any (front or stomach) muscles, simply do a regular kegel. Wherease, in a normal kegel, you keep all other muscles relaxed.

May be it is not rk and regular kegel at the same time, but this form of kegel gives a lot of stretching to the muscles without squeezing the prostate.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Here is how I do:
1. Push a front rk by tightening lower muscles of stomach and pushing these toward penis.
2. Now without relaxing any (front or stomach) muscles, simply do a regular kegel. Wherease, in a normal kegel, you keep all other muscles relaxed.

May be it is not rk and regular kegel at the same time, but this form of kegel gives a lot of stretching to the muscles without squeezing the prostate.

Holding a REVERSE KEGEL and KEGEL is not possible physically (unless I am very, very, very wrong). The only possible combinations are Reverse kegel and root lock, and reverse root lock and kegel.

Also regular kegel and normal kegel as you call it is the same thing (it is a first time I hear of this distinction). What you did in essence is a bracing kegel hold (or bunker hold as I call it) when you use the assists of other muscles (from the root lock, to lower abs and even glutes) to increase the strength of the hold.

Generally I think that you should work on this to see where it will lead you and also expand the explanation of the technique.

But in some experience, while bracing kegels are a good idea in the beginning in ensuring the success of an DO as your pelvic floor strength and balance progresses it becomes somewhat obsolete.

I hope that I somewhat gave you an satisfying answer. I think my reaction should not dissuade you in experimenting and finding out new stuff. If you feel you are on to something then persist and see it to the end.

[sameel Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sameel]

Thanks Minuteman for your guidance. I think it is kind of same which your are describing as bracing kegels or bunker hold. I acciedently found that this requires less force than regular kegel to hold a DO. But I am exercising kegels and hopefully it will be as good as bunker hold in few weeks.
Thanks.

[megusto Member Find all posts View Profile Close megusto]

Hi again, Im on level 1.2 and have got a question about something im confused about.
"Next sub level: As always, two times per day, for a week (first day 0.5sublevel), little too no pains or/and fatigue."
when do i do exercises twice a day? ive only done exercises at optimum but not twice a day can you please explain this to me
thank you

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Not good wording on my part. That means that in order to progress to the next sub level you should be able to do them optimally and do them twice a day, and you should do the sublevel exercise for a minimum of a week.

So, for example for sublevel 1.2

day 1: Do sublevel 0.5 twice that day and do it optimally.
day 2: Do 5 of each holds for 5 seconds only once a day.
day 3: If you don't feel any soreness or problem do 10 of each holds for 5 seconds once per day
day 4: If you don't feel any soreness or problem do 10 of each holds for 10 seconds once per day
day 5: If you don't feel any soreness or problem do 10 of each holds for 10 seconds twice per day.
day 6: If you don't feel any soreness or problem do 10 of each holds for 10 seconds twice per day.
day 7: If you don't feel any soreness or problem do 10 of each holds for 10 seconds twice per day.

If at day 7 you are able to do them twice per day with no problem, no discomfort then you can move on the next sublevel.

If you happen to take more then 7 days, you should at the day 8 do sublevel 0.5 twice that day and do it optimally, then continue where you have left off and progress. Sometimes you will have to take longer than 7 days at one sublevel because the exercise is hard and you should only progress if you can actually do it optimally twice per day with no problems, since then next sublevels that come will also be as hard and you need a conditioned pelvic floor muscles in order to progress with little problem.

[Chonny Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Chonny]

Hi, just signed up and wanted to say "thanks" for this post. This is the clearest, most comprehensive guide to multiple orgasms that I have ever seen.

I have been experimenting with multipling for a few years now after reading about kegeling and combining it with 'edging'. I have successfully perfectly DO'd (as you describe) on occasion in the past but have had trouble replicating at will so I hope this guide will now allow me to make it a more regular occurrence. I have read the thread thoroughly but was hoping you may be able to clarify an issue with regard timing which, as you suggest, I find to be the most troublesome aspect. I believe I have balanced and well conditioned pelvic floor muscles and can control myself both alone and with my partner. I enjoy circulating energy throughout my body but would like to experience controlled full body orgasms and have trouble knowing exactly when to kegel to prevent ejaculation.

Once I pass the PONR, I relax completely and for a certain amount of time afterwards (depending on my focus and concentration) experience a heightened state of awareness, a sense of calm and clarity, my heart racing before the involuntary spasms and ejaculation occur. Would it be correct to interpret that you recommend kegeling at the first spasm after this heightened state or should I have already done so at this point? My initial attempts to kegel at this first spasm result in ejaculation almost immediately as I do so, and as you state, ejaculation occurs with the second spasm so I wonder whether I have missed the first spasm completely (and am unwittingly kegeling on the second spasm, believing it to be the first) or just whether my timing needs slight tweaking. I am also concerned that I have conditioned my body with 'bad' habits that prevent me from performing multiple orgasms, so any advice would be greatly received..

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

The problem with describing the timing for DO in non physical (or better yet non mechanic way) is that people tend to experience stuff different, for example I don't have a sense of calm and clarity as much as an overwhelming rush of sensations, other people might have a totally other experience.

So instead of me guessing how other people perceive orgasms that acompany ejaculations I decided to build a common ground that everybody must have, and that is that first kegel spasm. And as you also noticed first spasm is tricky to notice especially if you are overwhelmed with sensations.

So my idea was that when you are very near PONR you should hold a reverse kegel (but not of hight intensity, just a medium reverse kegel hold) and allow the first spasm to actually overcome it. Since there can't be ejaculation if the first spasm doesn't activate, the moment you feel that your reverse kegel is being overpowered by a kegel spasm instead of just letting it go, switch to a kegel hold.

Once you actually experience a clean DO timing (not a perfect DO since the rules there are a little bit different) your body will remember the feeling. For example now I don't need to do reverse kegel hold in order to get the timing down, but my body automatically does it. Of course when I am out of shape the reverse kegel hold does help.

How ever timing is simply a tricky aspect until you get it down. That is why you have to pay attention to other aspects as well. For example with a strong balanced pelvic floor where you are able to hold a strong kegel hold of equal intensity (mening that you don't waver) for at least 30 seconds the window where you should actually hold the kegel hold widens allowling you to have a clean DO even if you for example hold the kegel hold earlier or even a second later. Technique on the other hand insures that your hold is correct and complete meaning that the moment you actually start the hold you will stop the spasms completely.

As you notice those three aspects are very connected so if you want to have an ability to always pull of a clean DO you have to have all of them up the task.

I don't think you have developed bad habit since your understanding of your own orgasms and arousal seems to be good, it is just that your body (and to an extend your mind) didn't have the "aha! moment" (or eureka) where you would simply instinctely on the almost unconscious level understand just when to perform that kegel hold.

I have no doubts that you are going to be able to have clean and perfect DO with little or no problems, so don't give up.

[megusto Member Find all posts View Profile Close megusto]

hi, just another thing ...when i do the 0.5 routine and the 1.5 routine on the first and second days of my level 2 routines do i do them twice a day optimum of once a day optimum