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Balloon-ing vs Edge-ing

Throughout this thread I often use the term edging, but I realize that this is misleading. I usually balloon, not edge.

Edging is stimulating yourself until you hit the edge of the Point Of No Return (PONR), then easing back to not ejaculate.

Ballooning is getting as hard as possible without getting to the PONR, and trying to stay there. This is what I do. I stimulate myself to get to maximum EQ without getting to maximum excitement (PONR).

I realize that I have been using the term "edge" incorrectly in my detailing of my routines. So for anyone following or trying what I do, I don't edge, I balloon^*. I do not want to get to the PONR.

I (and my wife) have noticed that EQ is usually maximum at the point of ejaculation, essentially 100% EQ coincides with 100% excitement (ejaculation). I want to keep that high EQ as long as possible, but by edging at the PONR it just made me tense and stressed. So I changed the paradigm for myself, instead of edging I decided to try and be able to hit maximum EQ without hitting PONR.

I look at this from two perspectives, one is in terms of PreE: Practice makes perfect. Edging should help improve the time to PONR. That is the idea of edging, push that PONR further and further back. Get up to the edge and push yourself to hold on and control it. Relax, push up against the PONR again, etc.

However, I once read a sexologist write about the relationship between EQ and PreE. One of the reasons why we have PreE is because we are not fully hard when initiating PIV sex. We get too much stimulation in a softer state, and then ejaculate too quickly. I was able to recognize that this was part of my problem. The wife would initiate PIV before I was fully hard, and then I would cum too quickly. However, if I was fully hard when initiating PIV sex, I was able to last much longer. So, for me, as the expert said, full EQ helps longer.

This led me to focus on getting to 100% EQ without getting 99.9% (PONR) excited. Over the years of my practice I have gotten to the point that I can hit and maintain close to max EQ without getting to the PONR. I can get to 100%, and keep it up there at 96-99% for a long periods of time, while keeping the excitement level 89%-94%^**.

The other perspective is in terms of PE: ballooning helps growth. Getting relaxed, and then getting as hard as possible, pushing the limits of the erection, helps growth. I think edging with ejaculation does not help as much. In edging the goal is to get excited and near the PONR. This tenses up the erection and does not allow for full expansion ( at least with PreE sufferers). But ballooning is just about getting bigger and bigger, not more and more excited. After a good ballooning session I will often feel stretched and sore, as much as with a stretching or jelqing session.



^*At least for the last 3 months. Over the summer I was PONR edging, I do edge, but in terms of onging routines, I generally do ballooning.
^**While ballooning if I hit the 95% excitement (this is still well below the PONR), I will hard kegel, which gets my EQ up to about 98%, then hold that kegel for as long as possible. While I am showering I will do that, then while holding the kegel I will wash my hair, or body, or whatever. Up to a minute or longer kegel.
This translates well into sex, as I will keep the excitement level in control, then if the wife is orgasmic, I can kegel and hold there at 95% excitement but with 98% EQ while she does, then once she is done we can keep going. Never hitting the PONR.

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“I love it when a plan comes together.”

The wife and I have been having difficulty finding time to really go at it. Between classes, sleepovers, etc., either she falls asleep too early or my son falls asleep with her. Sunday morning she woke me early because she couldn't wait anymore. She got me hard enough then rode me to a quick but powerful orgasm. She rolled off just as we heard our son coming. We quickly dressed and agreed "More tonight."

That evening I made sure the son was in bed and snoring at a decent hour. Then I went to the bedroom. We quickly started in foreplay, but she was hesitant, saying "I did it too quickly this morning, I'm a little sore..."

I said "Ok, tell me when to stop, and we'll stop."
She then teased, "I just want to make you really hard, then send you away."
"I'm good with that," I said as I pulled out my erection and placed it on her stomach.

She proceeded to make me hard, and for the first time, I showed her how to do it. Where to pull and caress, how to scratch lightly up the sides, rub the rim of the head, etc. She soon was really into it, and I was in heaven. Soon enough I was at 100%. This is where that ballooning practice comes in. She did not have to do any jerking or intense movements, just gentle caresses to get me fully hard. "Wow, that's really big!" she said. I was not anywhere near the PONR, only at a 75% on on the excitement scale, but rock hard.

I glanced up at the clock, thinking we would be stopping there, but she was all hot and bothered, and wordlessly pulled off her underwear and aimed me in the right direction. She was wet and ready, but I was so hard I could not get it in. Usually my wife will initiate PIV before I get to 100%, so by the time I get fully hard, I've been in her for a while and stretched her out. This time I was too hard to enter. "Oh, it's too big!" She moaned, "Please go slowly." We had to spend a good ten minutes in missionary working it in. First just moving the head around the lips, then just the head in and out, then a few inches in. She was in ecstasy. Squirming, moaning, gasping, trying to push me in deeper, but it just would not go without slow steady thrusting.

Finally I was able to have a good five inches going in and out steadily. I did that for a while, and there was a moment where I was looking down, enjoying the view of my erection going in and out, and she was looking down at it, too, then we looked at each other, and with this look of disbelief says "It's really big."

At one time I got near to 95% arousal, I did a hard kegel and powered through. I was able to use that kegel to keep the PONR away and then relaxed myself by rolling it into a reverse kegel.

I had her on the edge of orgasm, but wanted to continue, so I changed positions before she came. I rolled her onto her side and entered her sideways. Using the angle of my erection and the angle of penetration I was able to get up into the A spot. I did not thrust hard and fast, just slowly in to the deepest point, where she would spasm, then out again. She gasped "What are you doing to me?" .

After a little, she could not take it anymore and she rolled into jockey position. This is our go to position, and it means she wants me to bring her home. I was a little excited, maybe 96%, so I pulled out and took a moment to reverse kegel and calm myself. She arched her back pushing her behind up in the air, more of a downward dog position, so I entered her that way, put my erection in about 5 or 6 inches, then pulled it all the way out, waited a moment, teased her lips, then in 6 inches, repeat. Each time I went in deep again she thrust her behind towards and squared herself to orgasm, but I pulled out and pushed her behind down, saying "Relax, don't cum yet...".

When I was sure I was in control again, still at 98% EQ, but back below 90% on excitement, I got into the proper position to thrust away. It did not take long to bring her to orgasm. I hit about 95% excitement that time, and again I kegeled hard and kept going to bring her off. She had a loud and intense orgasm, after she she collapsed onto the bed and took a few breaths she asked "I'm done, do you want to cum?"

I relaxed my kegel into a reverse kegel, and answered "I just want to keep going a little bit, it feels really good". And it did; I was rock hard while not above about 90% excited at that moment. It felt amazing to just keep thrusting. She nodded her head and braced herself to keep going.

I continued at at steady pace, looking down at my erection thrusting in and out, not fast or hard, just enjoying the experience. I did that for a while, in a kind of euphoria, when she whispered in a desperate voice "Don't stop...". I looked up at her and saw she had pushed back up on her elbows, balled her fists and was bracing herself again. That vision amped up my excitement, so I kegeled hard again and brought her to a second loud orgasm.

At that point she indicated I should pull out. It took her a moment to recover, when she said "Too big today, how is it possible?"

I laughed and said "you really excited me." When I looked up at the clock again I saw that it had been 25 minutes since I first entered her.

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My Balloon-ing and Edge-ing

In my routines I often use the term edging, and I have realized that this is misleading. I will go back and adjust it as time allows to differentiate between times I edge and times I balloon. Both are good for PE and PreE.

Edging is stimulating yourself until you hit the edge of the Point Of No Return (PONR), then easing back to not ejaculate.

This is what I do:
- I get warmed up. I start with just airing the penis out, a few shakes, massaging and scratching. Then do some low intensity stretches, squeezes, helicopter twirls, pelvic thrusts and jelqs to get ready for a good erection (if you look back at my routines you can see specifically the different warm up moves).

- Once I am all loose and the blood is flowing, I start to get hard.

- I jerk my penis to get erect. I use alternating hands and reverse grips*.

• I jerk my penis left hand using underhand grip, thumb out 160 times
• then with right hand using overhand grip, thumb in 160 times
• left hand using overhand grip, thumb in 80 times
• finally right hand using underhand grip, thumb out, 80 times

- I last did a total of 480 strokes.

• When I started out, it was far less. I started out by just seeing how many strokes it took to get from (warmed up) flaccid to PONR. Initially it was 120 strokes, or rather, 60 per hand. I was able to move up to 240 fairly quickly, then worked up to 480 (over a total of 2 years).
• If I am not able to do the full count without hitting PONR, I stop, relax using reverse kegel, then keep going. I set goals for myself and 95% of the time I would do that number, even if I had to stop every one or two strokes nearing the end (meaning I would aim for 80 strokes for one grip, but at times I could do, maybe, 50 then hit PONR, so I stopped, RK, then 10 more, PONR, stop, 5 more, etc. Until I hit that target 80.)

- Once I am hard I will maintain the erection for 15 minutes or so, using various methods to hit the PONR up to 4 times in that 15 minutes.

• I do some stretches, but not intense, just pull left/right to make sure the full erection is exposed
• loose grip
• ok grip below head to stimulate it to fullest

Ballooning is getting as hard as possible without getting to the PONR, and trying to stay there.

This is what I do:
I stimulate myself to get to maximum EQ without getting to maximum excitement (PONR).

- I get warmed up. I start with just airing the penis out, a few shakes, massaging and scratching. Then do some low intensity stretches, squeezes, helicopter twirls, pelvic thrusts and jelqs to get ready for a good erection (if you look back at my routines you can see specifically the different warm up moves).

- Once I am all loose and the blood is flowing, I start to get hard.

• as I am still trying to fix a curve, I will get hard using left hand underhand grip.
• but I will alternate to help ensure full erection.
• once I am at about 90-95% I focus on the area just below the head, using ok grip
• as soon as I feel I am at 100%, or close, I will kegel, moving from back to front (root lock to full kegel) and clamping hard
• I hold the kegel for a minute or more
• repeat x5: stimulate up to 100%, hard kegel, hold

- As much as possible I do not hit the PONR. If I feel I will be hitting the PONR, then I will ease off intensity and do reverse kegels to maintain the erection but not amp up the excitement. If I foresee a big PONR problem, then I will do the hard kegel at 95% excitement level to forestall getting close to the PONR. While hard I will:

• stretch out the erection in all directions t o ensure it's all exposed and filling up
• do some twirls, though movement is limited, to shake blood into head
• massage all the areas of the penis to ensure that all are hard
• massage the opposite side with obverse fingers...ie: massage the left corpus cavernosum with right hand.

- After all is done, I relax down to normal. At a 15-25% EQ level I will generally do a couple of jelqs and stretches to warm down, then up to 20 helicopter twirls to use the engorgement of the penis to help stretch it out. More on helicopters later.


* I have a curve that I was working on. I try to use the opposite hand and opposite grip double that of my usual hand to work against the curve, especially as I am getting hard.

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Balloon-ing and Edge-ing: Ejaculate or not?

I do not ejaculate after either ballooning or edging.

In terms of PE there has been a great deal of discussion on the forums about the comparative merits of ejaculation or not. I am unsure of the science. The conventional assumption is to wait at least two hours between any PE related exercise and ejaculation.

Most experts agree that the fluid loss (and composition of the fluids lost) will not really impact post ejaculatory performance. Most of the research is in terms of sports performance, and even then it is limited. But the consensus is that it is a myth that men loose any sort of energy or spirit in ejaculating. There is also a myth that ejaculate contains cerebral fluid, so it impacts mental performance. All pretty much hogwash.

So why not ejaculate?

For myself, if I did the exercise (edging/ballooning) and did not ejaculate, then my flaccid hang was higher and the penis remained somewhat engorged with blood for a while after. But if I did ejaculate, the erection would subside quickly and not retain the nice plump engorged state it had after edging/ballooning*.

That, to me, seems important. After a "workout" I want that warm pumped up feeling. Plus having the blood in the penis for longer is healing. So I determined, as have many, to not ejaculate after any PE work.

Now, how about PreE? Isn't it part of the training in edging to finally allow oneself to ejaculate? That is how most do it. But, for me, it was a mental step. Knowing that I was going to ejaculate after the edging session seemed to make me want to go faster. I was aiming towards that eventual release. So I set a goal: no ejaculation. Only with the wife in PIV sex, and ONLY after she had had ten orgasms**.

This was mentally very important to me. I wanted to train my body to not expect ejaculation. It used to be that I associated any erection with ejaculation. If I had a spontaneous erection during the day, I read that to mean I needed to shoot a load. A very adolescent way of thinking. I determined that my big head would be the one to decided when to ejaculate, not the little head.

So, summing up, for PE work, there are some reasons to not ejaculate in terms of making gains. There is no hard research on this, but the anecdotal evidence is still valid, as it comes from many different men. And for PreE, no ejaculation worked for me. A few people do practice ejaculatory control and we have talked here in the forums. It is a method of countermanding premature ejaculation. Not for everyone, but worth a try of you need to do something to reset your body.


*Note that I use past tense in writing this. Now I still practice ejaculation control, but I notice that I do not loose my erection after ejaculation. A few posts back I wrote about a recent sexual escape with the wife. At that time I did not ejaculate, and my erection did not fade away; after we finished I was walking around with a good 90% erection for at least 20 mins. A week prior we had sex and I did ejaculate, and for about 10 mins after remained at about 75% erection. Plus I was quickly up to 100% again when I laid down with the wife and she held it to go to sleep. Refractory period is virtually nil. I attribute this to edging/ballooning daily.

**So my goal was 10:1. Seems crazy, right? But, at that time, my wife was in a PhD program. Home a lot, stressed a lot. She wanted sex a lot. We would have 3 sessions a week. Generally I get her to two orgasms per session. So 10 orgasms is only a two week wait for my own ejaculation.
This, to me, was a reasonable goal. I am getting older, so less ejaculation is recommended. Also I find that I do not like ejaculating. It meant sex was over, and I had along refractory period. I like the long sex part, not the short shoot part. Anyway...

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Here is how PE and PreE practice ideally works into a day (for me):

Yesterday, Thursday, I did my usual quick routine in the morning, just some stretching and limbering up:

• 40 helicopter twirls, left hand
• 40 helicopter twirls, right hand
• 60 1 handed squeezes (right hand then left)
• 30 two handed squeezes (alternating hands)
• 30 In-Out Pulls (same grip)
• 30 two handed squeezes (reverse grip, simultaneous)
• 30 pelvic thrusts (maintain grip)
• 30 rolling
• Stretch each direction for 40 seconds.
• 10 dry jelqs (left hand)
• Two handed grip shoulder raises (Count of 40 x 2)
• 10 dry jelqs (Right hand)
• 20 helicopter twirls each hand

As often happens, I got a full erection. I see it as a positive PI. I have been adjusting the intensity of my daily routine, and the last week or so I have found a happy medium in doing the side to sides and squeezes. I have gotten used to doing this type of adjustment, and I can tell I am at a good place once those "spontaneous" morning erections start. In the end the helicopter twirls were not really twirls, more small circles.

I have also been experiencing night/morning wood that is so strong it wakes me up.

I did my normal "Afternoon Stretch"

• 40 helicopter twirls, left hand
• 40 helicopter twirls, right hand
• 60 1 handed squeezes (left hand then right)
• 30 two handed squeezes (alternating hands)
• 30 In-Out Pulls (same grip)
• 30 two handed squeezes (reverse grip, simultaneous)
• 40 pelvic thrusts (same grip)
• 30 rolling
• 2 Mixed Stretch (Count of 60 each hand)
• 10 dry jelqs (left hand)
• 2 Under Leg (Count of 20 each hand)
• Cross stretch (count of 20 each direction x2)
• 10 dry jelqs (right hand)
• 20 helicopter twirls each hand

I have been doing this on alternating days now. One day side-to-side, next day this.

As an aside, I will mention the wife was out for meet and greets all day, so she dressed up in a pencil skirt and knee high boots. Late afternoon I ran into her, as I needed to borrow the car, and she did indeed look hot. So much so I followed her home to chat a few minutes. She took off her coat to show off her fashion for me. I immediately got major wood. It was very noticeable. And while she was impressed, she was worried everyone was going to see. I ended up having to sit in the car and let it fade before going to teach.

That evening I did a short ballooning session in the shower. Being the end of the week (in terms of PE) I just did a simple warm up then got hard. Did a couple of erect kegels, and started to plan out in my head how sex would go later. One of my goals is to be able to last in doggy, so that entered my plan. As soon as I thought about that I hit 110% EQ, not PONR, just peak erection. I kegeled hard and held it. Determining a that to let it go and save it for sex.

An hour later I got the green light from the wife.

Before sex I always try to surreptitiously do some PE: I will shake it out, stretch, do helicopter twirls and a couple of jelqs. All to just to be warmed up and limber. I also try an do some pelvic stretches. Last night the wife saw me do that. I was a little embarrassed at first, but we both agreed the end result of doing the exercise first was good.

The wife, handing me a Lush bar, decided to start with a massage. That is fine with me, as I love rubbing all over her body. It always quickly leads to me getting hard. But this time we did not rush into PIV. I placed my erection on her behind as I massaged her back. She helped me get me really hard by pushing up against and rubbing the erection with her bottom.

I was pretty impressively hard going in. So I just teased her with it. Soon we were in a half doggy position as I slowly worked it in. It was not easy, but I was able to stay in that position for about 5 minutes, working it in deeper and deeper, and did not hit the PONR.

Soon she was ready to orgasm. We slipped own into jockey and I drove her home. The position adjustment allowed me to maintain control on my excitement, and I was able to thrust through her first orgasm and keep going until she had a second a minute later. As she approached the second I was getting excited, understandably, but I did a root lock kegel before I got into PONR territory and made her orgasm. Essentially it was the first time I gave her a true multiple orgasm.

She was euphoric, as was I, and we just wanted to continue. We were no longer aiming for orgasm, just riding the high of what we had accomplished. After about 25 minutes in jockey and then missionary she wanted to switch to cowgirl. She climbed on top and as it went in she exclaimed "Oh, it's so hard, it feels like a fireplace!" In the heat of the moment I did not question that...

After a while in cowgirl she was having a hard time, she wanted to orgasm, but I was so hard it was uncomfortable for her on top, so we switched to jockey again and she quickly came a third time.

All in all we were going at it for 50 minutes. And it was mostly thrusting at various speeds. The only time I was close to loosing control was when she was on top. I was able to bring her to three orgasms, and in the end she tapped out before I even thought about getting a condom. I sat beside her with a throbbing erection and we kissed and kind of congratulated each other.
"That was like a dream. I can see you are still attracted to me..."She said "I'll dress like that more often."

We were both all wet and went to bathroom to hose off,

She used the shower to rinse off and I washed my erection in the sink. I remembered to ask her about the "fireplace" analogy. She was a little embarrassed by her uncontrolled outburst, but explained "I mean where the smoke goes out, like a chimney, but in a factory" (my wife is a not a native English speaker).

I said "a smoke stack?"
She came over to the sink and said "Yes...", starting to to caress it "like a smoke stack!"

My erection didn't go away for 20 minutes.

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Continuing on that theme, of how PE and PreE practice ideally works into my day to day:

Friday I was feeling a little sore, but still did a short routine upon waking up. However, sensing that I had been using it pretty intensely, I determined to just do a basic routine:

• 30 helicopter twirls, left hand
• 30 helicopter twirls, right hand
• 60 1 handed squeezes (right hand then left)
• 30 two handed squeezes (alternating hands)
• 30 In-Out Pulls (same grip)
• 30 two handed squeezes (reverse grip, simultaneous)
• 30 pelvic thrusts (maintain grip)
• 30 rolling
• Stretch each direction for 30 seconds.
• 10 dry jelqs (left hand)
• Two handed grip shoulder raises (Count of 30 x 2)
• 10 dry jelqs (Right hand)
• 20 helicopter twirls each hand

In the evening, picking up where we left off the night before, my wife teased me thinking I would not want to go at it again. But I told her I really wanted to have round two. As I had not ejaculated in a while I was experiencing blue balls all day.

I did a normal workout late evening (before and in shower):

• 30 helicopter twirls, right hand
• 60 one handed squeezes
• 30 two handed squeezes (alternating hands)
• 30 In-out Pulls (same grip)
• 30 two handed squeezes (reverse grip, simultaneous)
• 30 pelvic thrusts (maintain grip)
• 30 rolling

Once again I was still feeling a little sore, so I opted to not do side-to-sides and erect squeezes.

Once the son was safely sleeping, we went at it. I was hard quickly and she was hot and ready. She figured it would be a quick wham-bam-thank-you-mam. But after years of training I just do not cum that quickly.

We started out in jockey, and that is my easiest position. As with previous nights, I got fully hard before entering her, and it took some working to get it in. This is where thought, timing and PE come together. I took time to get hard, really hard, and I was soon experiencing a skin-splitting erection. This is why I opted out of intense routines. I knew I would be giving myself an intense “edging” session with the wife.
I pulled her up into a half doggy (still not ready for full doggy) and worked it in slowly. By the time I was in deep she was ready to orgasm, so we slid back down into jockey and she had a good orgasm. As with last night I did not stop, and she said "Keep going, cum". But I am good in jockey, I kept thrusting and did not even consider getting a condom. I went for another 5 minutes, just slow and steady, keeping her on the edge. Finally she succumbed to a massive orgasm. The sound she made was from the depths of her stomach. I was so turned on I had to kegel through it.

She was shocked I had not ejaculated, so I told her I needed a condom. So I got one as she rolled into missionary. She hooked her knees into her elbows and told me to “just cum”. I did my best, but the condom kept my excitement at bay, so I was able to last long enough in missionary to make her orgasm just as I did.

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I took a day off PE on Saturday, as well I should.

And I thought I’d worn her out, but when I got to bed that night she curled up beside me and went right to massaging me to an erection. I got really hard really quickly. There was no post nut weakness, I was rock hard standing straight up. I don’t think she was expecting that, whispering in Korean “How is it possible?”

Then she said, again in Korean, “I must be crazy!” and she climbed into cowgirl position.

She took a long time working it in, all the while whispering in Korean “It’s too big…it’s too big…”

She remained on top for a while, longer than we have recently. First she rode me, just going straight up and down on me. Having ejaculated recently, I had no problem with her pumping up and down to a loud orgasm. She slowly stopped, and I pulled her forward onto my chest and thrusted up into her while hugging her to me, until she came again.

Then it was her turn, she sat up straight, and in Korean again, said “Am I crazy?” and rode me to another orgasm, shoving her breasts into my face, gripping my hair, and whispering over and over in Korean “It’s too big…it’s too big…”

She collapsed onto my chest, but I kept thrusting up into her. Finally she moans “I can’t…” and rolls off of me into jockey position “Finish me this way!”

So I did.

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which one was most effective for girth?
you mention that you gained some decent girth after doing something

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which one was most effective for girth?
you mention that you gained some decent girth after doing something

I did this a couple of years back. Gained 1/4 inch in 2 months:

...a more intense routine with aim at girth:

Daily supplements are: Green Tea w/ ginger and ginseng;
1000 of l-arginine and ginkgo biloba

I do a 30 minute circuit training routine 5~6 times a week.

2 stretching sessions, 1 Uli session and one edging session with jelqs.
4/5 days of Uli per week. 5 Days of stretching

First set:

• Two fisted grip on penis, left above right, and alternate squeezing of hands <count of 30 squeezes>
• maintain grip, pull penis away from body <30 pulls>
• switch grip, right hand above left, squeeze hands simultaneously <count of 30 squeezes>
• maintain grip, pelvic thrusts, <count of 30>
• helicopter twirls to left, <count of 50>
• 5 direction stretches, <count of 30 each way>
• pull penis straight up, two hands gripping head, keep penis fully stretched, lock elbow, do 60 shoulder raises
• helicopter twirls to right, <count of 50>

Uli set:

• Two fisted grip on penis, left above right, and alternate squeezing of hands <count of 30 squeezes>
• maintain grip, pull penis away from body <30 pulls>
• switch grip, right hand above left, squeeze hands simultaneously <count of 30 squeezes>
• maintain grip, pelvic thrusts, <count of 30>
• helicopter twirls to left, <count of 50>
• Bundled stretch straight out <2x 45 degree turn, 2x 90 degree turn, count of 30 each>
• helicopter twirls to right, <count of 50>
• Masturbate/jerk to achieve erection. <count of 80 pumps per hand>
• get to maximum EQ possible
• 6 ulis, alternate hands, <count of 50 each>
• Erect squeezes <10 squeezes, count of 5 each, switch grip, repeat>
• Erect squeezes <6 squeezes, count of 10 each, switch grip, repeat>
• Moisturize

Third set:

• Two fisted grip on penis, left above right, and alternate squeezing of hands <count of 30 squeezes>
• maintain grip, pull penis away from body <30 pulls>
• switch grip, right hand above left, squeeze hands simultaneously <count of 30 squeezes>
• maintain grip, pelvic thrusts, <count of 30>
• helicopter twirls to left, <count of 50>
• Bundled stretch straight out <2x 45 degree turn, 2x 90 degree turn, count of 40 each...count of 20, then 10 with kegel, then 10 reverse kegel>
• A stretch <2 x count of 20, then 10 with kegel, then 10 reverse kegel >

• helicopter twirls to right, <count of 50>

Edging set:

• Two fisted grip on penis, left above right, and alternate squeezing of hands <count of 30 squeezes>
• maintain grip, pull penis away from body <30 pulls>
• switch grip, right hand above left, squeeze hands simultaneously <count of 30 squeezes>
• maintain grip, pelvic thrusts, <count of 30>
• helicopter twirls to left, <count of 50>
• 5 direction stretches, <count of 10 each way>
• helicopter twirls to right, <count of 50>
• Get into hot shower
• Masturbate/jerk to achieve erection. <count of 80/100 pumps per hand>
• get to maximum EQ possible. Stay there for duration of shower <15 mins

- after shower lube up with aloe, jelq at 75~80% erection -

• 30 overhand grip straight out, alternate hands
• 40 underhand grip, upwards
• 60 overhand grip straight out, alternate hand
• 20 underhand grip to the right to correct leftwards curve- 20 overhand grip straight out, alternate hands

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The last few weeks have been rough.

I have maintained a basic routine.

Wake up stretch and evening ballooning.

Take a full week of next week, maybe no ballooning. We shall see.
Reassess in January.

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Hmm,
I am taking a few days off from PE, and maybe because of that (and lowered stress as I am off work, too) but morning wood the last couple of days has been impressive. Yesterday (Christmas Morning) it woke me up. Throbbing erection. I used it to get the wife's attention, and she was suitably impressed. But just as she was about to use it, our son bounds into the room to wake us...it was difficult to hide my erection.

My wife hustled him out the room, and came back for a second to look at me again "Why does it look bigger?" she whispers. "I don't know..." I said, and took a look. And it did look bigger.

Later I checked, and my stretched flaccid length is at 9 1/2. That is a quarter inch above my last measure. Double checked later, and it is indeed 9.5. The SFL has been at 91/4 for over a year.

A rough measure at full erection shows above 9 inches, but did not get a clear measure.

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I warm up manually with my hands.
This is the basic way:

* Make sure your hands are washed and warmed up

• 60 1 handed squeezes (right hand then left)
• 30 helicopter twirls, left hand
• 30 helicopter twirls, right hand
• 30 two handed squeezes (alternating hands)
• 30 In-Out Pulls (same grip)
• 30 two handed squeezes (reverse grip, simultaneous)
• 30 pelvic thrusts (maintain grip)
• 30 rolling

1 Handed Squeezes:

• Fairly basic. I do 30 slow squeezes each hand. I simply hold the flaccid penis underhand in my palm and squeeze.
  • Right palm is cupping right side. Left palm cupping left side
  
  
• I do variations of the specific grip.
  • Normally it’s just in the palm of my hand with the thumb away from body
  • I have a curve that I want to work against, so I will go overhand thumb in for my right hand, meaning the palm is on the left side of the penis.

Rolling Exercise (30 times):

• Roll your penis gently back and forth between the palms of your both hands.
  • Palms of hands on either side of penis, raise one hand and push down the other, alternating to roll the penis

2 Handed Squeezes:

• Two fisted grip on penis, left above right, both use ok grip with palms in, thumb away from body
• and alternate squeezing of hands <count of 30 squeezes>

In and out:

• Maintain two fisted grip, both hands pull penis away from body then push back in to body <30 pulls>
  • The only part that is really moving in this is the base.

2 Handed Squeezes

• switch grip, right hand above left, both use ok grip with palms in, thumb away from body
• squeeze hands simultaneously <count of 30 slow squeezes>

Pelvic Thrusts:

• Maintain two fisted grip, both hands hold penis stationary
• Then rock pelvis back and forth to push in and out of hands <30 thrusts >

It gets my penis all loosened up and the blood flowing.


(I just posted this in answer to another thread, and wanted to put it here, too, as it details my specific routine.)

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Hmm,
I am taking a few days off from PE,

I had planned to take a few days away from PE-ing, and I did, but when I got back to it I did not really jump back in. Between ballooning/edging sex I have maintained a healthy PE lifestyle, and on two separate occasions I was able to do proper measures:

23.3 cm x 17.2

This puts me firmly above 9 inches erect length and shows me still at 6 3/4 at mid erection girth. I am close to 9 1/4 and would like to hit it, but just cementing at this size will be cool with me.

EQ is great. A few times I struggled in edging/ballooning, but I attribute that to lack of aerobic exercise and bad diet. Once I got back into a regular healthy lifestyle I have noted no difficulties.

As far as PreE, I am very satisfied with my progress. Over the last month the shortest we had PIV sex was 25 minutes, the longest was an hour and 20 minutes. I wrote about it a little in the motivation thread…I’ll cut and paste it below.

The last month I have been doing a maintenance type routine. I alternate between edging and ballooning daily, but do little else for gains.

These days I have three things I am focusing on:
I am working on my turkey neck.
I am trying to even out the erection, as I still have a curve but mostly it is that the right side is over developed.
I am try out a cock ring.

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This has been my daily routine for the last month. I aim for 5 days on 2 off, but as I am home all day and the wife has been, too, I have substituted sex for the evening routine a few times.

I put on my makeshift cock ring after the morning set. Then wear it all day until I do my evening aerobic exercise. So I wear it about 9 to 10 hours a day.

Morning Warm Up -> right when I get up.

• 60 1 handed squeezes (right hand then left)
• 30 helicopter twirls, left hand
• 30 helicopter twirls, right hand
• 30 two handed squeezes (alternating hands)
• 30 In-Out Pulls (same grip)
• 30 two handed squeezes (reverse grip, simultaneous)
• 30 pelvic thrusts (maintain grip)
• 10 V-jelqs (right hand)
• Stretch each direction for 40 seconds (cupping ball sack to reduce turkey neck).
• 10 V-jelqs (left hand)
• Two handed grip shoulder raises (Count of 30 x 2)
• 20 dry jelqs (Right then left hand)

Afternoon Stretch

• 60 1 handed squeezes (left hand then right)
• 30 helicopter twirls, left hand
• 30 helicopter twirls, right hand
• 30 two handed squeezes (alternating hands)
• 30 In-Out Pulls (same grip)
• 30 two handed squeezes (reverse grip, simultaneous)
• 40 pelvic thrusts (same grip)
• 10 V-jelqs (right hand)
• 2 Mixed Stretch (Count of 60 each hand)
• 20 dry jelqs (Right then left hand)

Evening (before and in shower)

• 60 one handed squeezes
• 30 helicopter twirls, left hand
• 30 helicopter twirls, right hand
• 30 two handed squeezes (alternating hands)
• 30 In-out Pulls (same grip)
• 30 two handed squeezes (reverse grip, simultaneous)
• 30 pelvic thrusts (maintain grip)
• 10 V-jelqs (left hand)
• Stretch each direction for 10 seconds (cupping ball sack to reduce turkey neck)
• 60 bicep curls (right then left arm, cupping ball sack)
• 20 dry jelqs (Right then left hand)
• Ballooning: Get erect to 100% EQ in hot shower
• 6 long kegel holds, each at max EQ (60 second count, if erection subsides, be sure to get back to 100%)
• Allow erection to subside to 75%
• 10 jelqs straight out (overhand grip, thumbs in)
• 20 jelqs upwards (underhand grip thumps up, jelqing up and over the head working against curve)

I like ballooning, but it takes time. And just to keep in shape I have been switching ballooning and edging in my evening routine. When edging I go back to my old style of just jerking the erection a preset number of times, then when at PONR I do the kegel holds.

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Regarding Premature Ejaculation

This is what I wrote in my first post in this thread (August 2015):
"These days my problem has gotten worse, as I am only able to use one position, her lying down on her stomach and I take her from behind. It used to be I could last a few minutes in the cowgirl position, too, but those days are gone.

It often affects my erection quality, as my fear of losing control affects me right away, I get a partial erection, she then initiates sex and in my panic I don't get hard enough...or lose what I have.

We tried cowgirl last Friday morning, but I could not even stand penetration, so we switched to the usual rear entry, and I was able to get her off and then put on a condom and shot my load. Very frustrating. Even though I wanted more, I just couldn't approach the subject for a few days."


Here I am in January of 2020:
"Friday night my wife and I went at it for an extended session. I started out massaging her and then slowly entered her and brought her to orgasm in jockey position. After a while she wanted to ride cowgirl, so we switched, and she rode to another orgasm.

Then we switched to missionary. We were both in good form, her vagina was dripping wet and ballooning, I was rock hard and not feeling any PONR yet, so we went at it. First slow and passionate, then legs over my shoulders , etc.

Finally I really wanted to get her to orgasm in missionary, so I thrusted quick and hard for a good while. I was going fairly deep and really making her moan. She was in ecstasy. I was sure she was right on the edge of orgasm, but I was getting too close to the edge myself so just could not keep up the pace. After about 5 minutes I slowed down and reversed kegel, and took it easy. Then I went at it again, a good five minutes of steady fast thrusting in missionary, but still did not seem to get her over the edge, so I took a breather. Then I was determined to go once more, deep quick long strokes. Again she was moaning and thrashing her head about in ecstasy, but even after about 7 minutes, I just could not get her there.

Finally I asked her if she thought she could orgasm that way. She asked me what I meant, I said that I could see my deep fast thrusting was almost getting her to orgasm...

"Oh, I came" she said
"When?" I asked.
"Each time" She answered.
I was surprised "Why didn't you say something?"
"I couldn't..." she laughed, "I didn't want you to stop."

Then she rolled over, saying "I want one more from behind..."

An hour and 20 minutes of PIV sex and 6 orgasms. That has to be a personal best."

Then

"After that long session on Friday the wife and I were eager for another round. All day Saturday she was teasing me...she has taken to caressing my package and seeing how quickly I get hard, uncomfortably hard. However, Saturday was not to be, so she spent all Sunday doing the same.

Finally, Sunday evening the son is in bed asleep and we get down to it. After some heated foreplay, I roll her into jockey position and start to work it in, using just the head at first. She looks back and says "Oh, you feel really big tonight, do you need to cum?"
"I think I will have to" I answered, "It's been a while."
She pushes herself up onto her elbows, looks back at me for a moment and says "I don't want you to. Can you wait?"
I laughed “What?”

“I want to tease you, so don’t cum tonight. Can you do it?”
“It won’t be easy…” I replied.

40 minutes, 3 positions and an orgasm later she rolls back into jockey and says “Ok, I wanna cum once more and then stop. Can you stop?”

I could and did. However, I could not relax for a while. Indeed, even after washing off, fixing the bed and getting a drink my erection was too hard, I couldn’t put on my underwear.

My wife was suitably impressed, laughing “You’ll just have to wait until tomorrow…”"