Minuteman's Dry Orgasm Guide

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Ahh!! Valuable insight! Thank you.

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Minuteman,
Sorry, there were some things I forgot to mention that I wondered about.
1. I have noticed that while doing reverse root locks I become aroused. I assume this is because I am inadvertently stimulating my prostate. Have you heard of this? Is it common?
2. I've noticed that my erections aren't as hard as before I started the program. I can tell that I am getting more blood flow to my penis, but my erections are between 70-80% each time. That one instance I mentioned in my previous post was my first 100% in a over a week. Is this due to muscle fatigue. Maybe I need to take a day off? I've really been enjoying the exercises, so I may be moving too fast in the program also.
3. Even with my EQ being less than usual, I've noticed an increase in libido. I assume that it is due to increased blood flow to my penis and testicles. Is this a common thing? Will it stay like this from now on?
4. Lastly, is it normal for masturbation to not be as arousing as before after starting to edge? I have definitely noticed that I can go longer before getting to the PONR in the first place. Sometimes it takes 10 minutes or more with lubricant, which is really long for me! But I'm not sure if this is because the edging is working or because I've been doing it so often because of increased arousal every day. I wonder if my penis is just kinda getting tired between edging often and exercising twice a day. I've had no pain or soreness, just that my erections aren't as strong and masturbating doesn't feel as great as it once did. It could also be a mind thing. When I start masturbating now, I automatically prepare to be there 20 or 30 minutes and expect to not feel any tension growing until a while into the session.

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Minuteman,
Sorry, there were some things I forgot to mention that I wondered about.
1. I have noticed that while doing reverse root locks I become aroused. I assume this is because I am inadvertently stimulating my prostate. Have you heard of this? Is it common?
2. I've noticed that my erections aren't as hard as before I started the program. I can tell that I am getting more blood flow to my penis, but my erections are between 70-80% each time. That one instance I mentioned in my previous post was my first 100% in a over a week. Is this due to muscle fatigue. Maybe I need to take a day off? I've really been enjoying the exercises, so I may be moving too fast in the program also.
3. Even with my EQ being less than usual, I've noticed an increase in libido. I assume that it is due to increased blood flow to my penis and testicles. Is this a common thing? Will it stay like this from now on?
4. Lastly, is it normal for masturbation to not be as arousing as before after starting to edge? I have definitely noticed that I can go longer before getting to the PONR in the first place. Sometimes it takes 10 minutes or more with lubricant, which is really long for me! But I'm not sure if this is because the edging is working or because I've been doing it so often because of increased arousal every day. I wonder if my penis is just kinda getting tired between edging often and exercising twice a day. I've had no pain or soreness, just that my erections aren't as strong and masturbating doesn't feel as great as it once did. It could also be a mind thing. When I start masturbating now, I automatically prepare to be there 20 or 30 minutes and expect to not feel any tension growing until a while into the session.

1. It is fairly normal depending on your overall sensitivity. Almost any pelvic floor movement can be arousing

2. It may be due to the muscle fatigue, or because you are doing reverse movements stronger than kegel and root locks. Anyway, getting a few days of is a good idea. What this guide severely lacks is the rest days included in the program so every member must find his own rhythm.

3. Increased libido is both because of the blood flow but also because of the "novelty" of your activity, it will subside somewhat in the future, but it will mostly be better than before.

4. It is probably due to the lower EQ that you are experiencing, again rest days management is crucial but also entirely up to you. Here are some observations on how the current pelvic floor routine should be improved in the future.

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I can't seem to do reverse kegels and I have no way on indicating I am doing them. When I try to do them I do reverse root lock flexes, I think I do the reverse kegels at the same time, just not sure.

When I try to do root lock flexes, I do a normal kegel. It seems impossible to separate the two. I also tend to contract my lower abs when attempting reverse kegels.

Any ideas on how to fix these issues?

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I can't seem to do reverse kegels and I have no way on indicating I am doing them. When I try to do them I do reverse root lock flexes, I think I do the reverse kegels at the same time, just not sure.

When I try to do root lock flexes, I do a normal kegel. It seems impossible to separate the two. I also tend to contract my lower abs when attempting reverse kegels.

Any ideas on how to fix these issues?

It is fairly normal in the beginning, as you repeat those movements you will notice a sight difference between front and back and as you focus on it you will be able to isolate it better with time, for some this comes faster and for some it takes more time.

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Minuteman,
I want to start the JP90 program. Right now I am on 1.1 of your program. Would it be wise to finish your program before beginning the PE program?

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Minuteman,
I want to start the JP90 program. Right now I am on 1.1 of your program. Would it be wise to finish your program before beginning the PE program?

It is up to you, but notice that both programs do a fair amount of stress on your pelvic floor muscles, so it might be a better idea either to finish what you have started, or to just focus on one. If you try to do to much to fast you might end with much less.

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Minuteman,

I would like to write thank you for this splendid guide.

First question, as silly as it may be, sometimes I forget to do my kegals. Is missing a day hugely detrimental?
Second question: I am currently on level 2.3. However, I am not reaching fatigue, and I feel I could do more. Could I add another sublevel to 2.3?

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Minuteman,

I would like to write thank you for this splendid guide.

First question, as silly as it may be, sometimes I forget to do my kegals. Is missing a day hugely detrimental?
Second question: I am currently on level 2.3. However, I am not reaching fatigue, and I feel I could do more. Could I add another sublevel to 2.3?

It should not be detrimental but having an disciplined rhythm is a better idea.

You should avoid adding other sublevels, just do them one at a time as they come, the reason is even if your don't feel the fatigue and stress it can manifest quite fast and that will mean more breaks etc, so it is better to keep going slowly but surely.

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So, I have been doing the early sub routines on and off for quite a while now. I haven't done them very often for two reasons. Firstly, I have a history of a tense pelvic floor, so I need to be careful with doing kegels and secondly because I have been focusing on other ways to deal with Pre E other than MMO. However, I now want to experiment with increasing kegel stength.

I haven't really seen much improvement, probably because I haven't done much exercising. However, I am also concerned that I am not performing kegels correctly. I can hold what I call a kegel for probably 30 seconds, but I'm not sure if this is an actual kegel. It feels more like tension in the area than actually using a muscle, more like the very start of kegel, or a very light kegel. If I place a hand on the BC muscle, I can't feel any movement.

However, if I really push quite hard, I can feel definite movement in the BC, and I can see my penis move slightly from the contraction. It is like the spasm which happen during orgasm, or how you need to kegel to perform a towel raise. However, I can only hold this type of kegel for max 2 seconds.

So, my question is, which of the two methods should I be using for kegels;
- A light hold with no actual movement, feels more like tension,
- A strong squeze, which causes the BC muscle to contract forecefully, but I have difficulty holding for very long.

Also, I am not doing back kegels, since I don't have any difficulty doing them and they don't cause me any problems during egding.

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So, I have been doing the early sub routines on and off for quite a while now. I haven't done them very often for two reasons. Firstly, I have a history of a tense pelvic floor, so I need to be careful with doing kegels and secondly because I have been focusing on other ways to deal with Pre E other than MMO. However, I now want to experiment with increasing kegel stength.

I haven't really seen much improvement, probably because I haven't done much exercising. However, I am also concerned that I am not performing kegels correctly. I can hold what I call a kegel for probably 30 seconds, but I'm not sure if this is an actual kegel. It feels more like tension in the area than actually using a muscle, more like the very start of kegel, or a very light kegel. If I place a hand on the BC muscle, I can't feel any movement.

However, if I really push quite hard, I can feel definite movement in the BC, and I can see my penis move slightly from the contraction. It is like the spasm which happen during orgasm, or how you need to kegel to perform a towel raise. However, I can only hold this type of kegel for max 2 seconds.

So, my question is, which of the two methods should I be using for kegels;
- A light hold with no actual movement, feels more like tension,
- A strong squeze, which causes the BC muscle to contract forecefully, but I have difficulty holding for very long.

Also, I am not doing back kegels, since I don't have any difficulty doing them and they don't cause me any problems during egding.

Good question. In case you haven't noticed the level 0 doesn't contain any kegel hold exercises for that very reason, mostly because people don't have strong enough muscles to perform kegel holds that would bring more benefit than tension.

Instead flexes are used in level 0 (or to be more precise clenches, because flexes get regarded as to fast of a movement by some, the wording will be changed in the future version of the guide), so you should hold them for a second or two (or one beat) they also should not be forcible but most importantly they should not be done fast, it is up to you do (during the level 0 ) see just how much force should you exert when performing a kegel, but the goal should be proper movement, if a little more force is needed for that proper movement in your opinion then you should apply it to some degree.

However, I can only hold this type of kegel for max 2 seconds.

In conclusion go for this version but make it one second and see how it goes. Doing meditative reverse kegels before and after the session is a good idea.

But how ever you go by it just by doing the simple movement in time your body will be able to isolate it just as you did (in the beginning most can just create a sort of tension, then they become strong enough just to barely hold it and so on).

The exercises in sublevel 0.2 and 0.3 are here to introduce to your body the (in the beginning) slight differences between the movements and while it may not seem like much by the time you get to the 0.4 you will notice just how much improvement there is, granted you have to spend more time in 0.2 and 0.3 but it will pay of.

This is why for most people I only recommend doing level 0, first so they are not overwhelmed (because the full routine can last even half of year if done with great dedication and detail) and because of most the pelvic floor imbalance actually isn't as pronounced as they may think. As much as beginners think they have a strong pelvic floor because of premature ejaculation (while they actually have a tense pelvic floor) they also tend to think that they are way to much imbalanced where the imbalance is just the part of a bigger problem.

The serious thing that this guide lacks is a well defined working schedule balancing rest days and work days as well as overall breaks between either the levels or the sublevels.

You can also use this post as a sort of guide how to create a working schedule especially the "twice every second day" part.

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Will following this guide and gaining a strong and balanced pelvic floor with equal amounts of kegel to reverse kegel exercises give me control of my ejaculation?

Is the best way to stop ejaculation even without trying to perform a DO to do light reverse kegel holds for a phew seconds over and over to hold back the PONR and then a strong kegel hold when you are close to the PONR to stop ejaculation?

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Will following this guide and gaining a strong and balanced pelvic floor with equal amounts of kegel to reverse kegel exercises give me control of my ejaculation?

Is the best way to stop ejaculation even without trying to perform a DO to do light reverse kegel holds for a phew seconds over and over to hold back the PONR and then a strong kegel hold when you are close to the PONR to stop ejaculation?

Welcome aboard Willy25!

Please https://www.pegym.com/forums/beginne...cess-here.html

Yes, by following a balanced regular and reverse kegels routine, you will gain more control over your ejaculation.

Holding a reverse kegel long before the PONR is a good way to delay it, and holding a regular kegel right before it is the way to DO and MMO, which is an advanced technique, that requires a strong and balanced pelvic floor, in addition to familiarity with your body's responses to stimulation and arousal, which can be learned from Edging.

You may want to read the following threads for more info.

Kegels: Only One Piece of the Equation to Strengthen the Pelvic Floor

Yoga Poses for Pelvic Floor Stretching - relax your muscles

Confusion with Reverse Kegels

Pelvic Floor Balance

Minuteman's PremE FAQ

Arousal Techniques

ByggD's Guide to Controlling Your Ejaculation Response

What we know so far about PE, its causes and its treatment

Edging 101

Edging For Premature Ejaculation

Edging - penis exercise For Size and Hardness

Edging Toward MMO

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Will following this guide and gaining a strong and balanced pelvic floor with equal amounts of kegel to reverse kegel exercises give me control of my ejaculation?

Is the best way to stop ejaculation even without trying to perform a DO to do light reverse kegel holds for a phew seconds over and over to hold back the PONR and then a strong kegel hold when you are close to the PONR to stop ejaculation?

While this depends on the individual the level 0,1 and 2 will give you improved control (isolation), stamina and EQ to what extent I do not know.

I don't know if that is the best way to stop ejaculation without DO, but the light reverse kegel hold to strong kegel hold pat is the main technique described here in order to achieve a DO.

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Thanks Minuteman and MrB8 for the reply and advice! I have been reading all over the forum quite a bit and have had some success with stopping ejaculation and prolonging the time with that method. All though sometimes it is a bit hit and miss as to wether it works.

Maybe my pelvic floor needs more conditioning and I need more practice. Sometimes I think it is just too exciting and its ok to be quick on the trigger every now and then.

I was wondering wether balance in the pelvic floor is better for controlling your pelvic floor and response. I am thinking that balance and awareness with all 4 types of kegels would be more beneficial than just having a relaxed pelvic floor by doing mainly reverse kegels.

I also seem to loose EQ with light to medium reverse kegels and guessing that gaining balance with exercises would give me the EQ that I wantt and also the ability to relax and last?

Do you mainly use a light front reverse kegel to hold back the PONR or a combination between a light front reverse kegel and a light reverse root lock?

Also sometimes when I do a reverse kegel it almost feels like I am creating tension in the area as much as I would with a normal kegel. And since learning the reverse kegel and focusing on exercising it, I have noticed increased strength in my normal kegel holds.